Those of you not in the 'biz (aka everyone here)

what are your thoughts on showbiz culture?

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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    It seems kinda like.


    Dumb.

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Actually tbh i'm not entirely sure what is meant by 'showbiz culture'

    if it's the people who brag about calling MCs 'emcees' and DJs 'deejays' then they and i will not be friends
  • People who work in Hollywood and think that this makes them better people than people who do not work in Hollywood.
  • It strikes me a lot that it's a bit divorced from reality, and it buys its own bullshit rather a lot for how convinced it is that it knows better.

    I briefly worked for Paramount Studios in the early 2000s, though as a techie.  Odd place.
  • You have had a very varied life, Morven.
  • I guess I have, though it doesn't seem like that at times from the inside.  

    Where I worked was across from the Enterprise set, and we'd see all the guys from that show sitting around between takes, hanging with the crew, playing cards as I recall sometimes, or just chatting.  The women on the show, though, stayed in their trailers.  I'd often see David Boreanaz standing around in a trenchcoat smoking (Angel was being filmed there) and sometimes some of the others.  One of my co-workers almost ran over Cameron Diaz with a golf cart.

    Was there maybe 4 months, it was a short-term contract.
  • heh yeah.

    This was the job that on my first day the boss and the long-term staff started drinking at lunch and retreated to the boss's office with 2 liters of vodka and a case of red bull to get a serious, professional-level drunk on for the rest of the afternoon.  After which one of them was going round to all the newbie employees and saying, "If you fuck with me ... I'll KILL ya!"

    He seemed to find this incredibly entertaining to say.
  • Oh, and then they all drove home because serious drunks do that.
  • Aha.

    I never want to work in the entertainment industry.
  • I wouldn't recommend it unless you have an absolute passion for doing something that involves having to.
  • I love making music but not enough to have to deal with nightclubs, which is where I'd end up, because "LOL you're an electronica musician right?"
  • Though I do wanna send a demo tape to some net labels, but those are small things, and the ones I'm sending stuff to are all free music labels.
  • Dealing with nightclubs is ugh.  I know DJs who've done it; club owners/promoters are almost universally a special kind of disgusting slime.
  • I make headphone house. I'm a very quiet, reclusive, contemplative sort of person. Nightclubs would drive me to depression pretty quickly.
  • edited 2014-12-07 11:37:04
    There's far too much emphasis on the most "presented" parts of showbiz -- namely, the performers.

    This includes:
    * the actors or voice actors, especially the top-billed ones or the ones playing the most prominent characters, at the expense of pretty much everyone in the production of a TV show or movie.  strangely, the director role bucks this trend and gets a lot of billing -- though still, often more than the writer, and almost always more than the producer.
    * the musical performers, especially the soloists, at the expense of everyone from the composer to the backing performers.  in classical music, this is especially bad with making the conductor the star of an orchestra.  in non-classical music, the composer is rarely even given any billing at all.

    If I had my way, I'd go in order of creation steps.  For example:

    1. composer
    2. arranger
    3. performers
    4. conductor (if present)

    Not as familiar with the production role names for TV/film production so I'll avoid trying that one, but needless to say the actors get mentioned last.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    People who work in Hollywood and think that this makes them better people than people who do not work in Hollywood.
    I'm not going to lie, for a time last year I wanted to be a part of this

    It's just that Hollywood seemed like an amazing place where you'd matter. Like, more than you already do. But then I realized that half the people there are one depressive episode away from suicide
  • edited 2014-12-07 11:37:49
    I kinda hate "star culture" -- like, the way that famous people are adored and adulated.

    Yeah, sure.  You directed made [famous movie].  Good for you.  I don't particularly care about your personal life.  The most I want, maybe, is your autograph on my DVD box.  Your snot on a dirty tissue is just as disgusting as everyone else's.

    Also, who's [famous actor] and why are people talking about her love life?  Why does it even freakin' matter?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I wasn't really talking about the stars. I was talking about, like, the sort of culture that leads people like Nikki Finke to believe themselves to be, like, curing cancer.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ITT: Anonus becomes Mr. Jinks
  • I wasn't actually reading your posts :P
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    If I had my way, I'd go in order of creation steps.  For example:

    1. composer
    2. arranger
    3. performers
    4. conductor (if present)


    While i can understand the prizing of creativity, performance is also a talent and one which is sometimes undersold (as in the cult of the singer-songwriter that surrounds much contemporary rock and folk). Taken to extremes, this leads to absurd things like Piero Scaruffi putting down Louis Armstrong for not writing his own material.
  • edited 2014-12-07 12:32:40
    Performance shouldn't be neglected either, but I just don't like the "cult of the performer".

    Ideally, it would become standard practice to identify a performance/recording by both composer(s) AND performer(s), rather than a single "artist" field.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    That'd be preferable, yes.
  • kill living beings
    i'm in a biz
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