Do people have a general distaste for old things?

I don't know why they do, because it seems like it to me. To me age can be charming.
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  • kill living beings
    kill everything over forty
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Kill everyone over thirty.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    well, there goes Lee and Imi :(
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Kill everyone over twenty.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    :(
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    there goes Centie! And possibly yourself too
  • kill everyone over -1

    le antinatalist face
  • Generally, old things, even things like consumerist media, was made in a different way and style.

    Take citizen kane for example, brilliant movie, but compared to nowadays, the pace of this movie is glacier. 

    that's not necessarily a bad thing, in truth, Old stuff, just like new stuff, fills a niche, and you just need to find the people who have that niche and want it filled. 
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    *rises from grave*

    people disliking things simply because they're "old" is actually a bit of a pet peeve of mine
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    *stomps you back into grave*

    Stay in there, goddamnit. It's our world now.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Time giggles at you. To Her, you are but a parasite that lives for a day and is forgotten.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I don't give a fuck about time.

    Time doesn't know what it's like down here.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    man you're always angry

    why can't you just be morbidly depressed like me
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    I don't think so much it has to do with age, unless the person in question is profoundly immature. In my case, I might not like older works because those works are the foundations for others in the genre or medium, and seem simple or cliched in comparison. Basically, it depends on if the work in question has aged well. Mega Man 2, for example is more palatable to me than say Final Fantasy I, even though they came out at approximately the same time.
  • Most things lack impact if you weren't there when they came out, at least in my opinion.

    This is why no one plays Pong anymore. It was a sensation when it was new, but it wasn't long before it was supplanted by other, more in-depth video games, and it sort of fell by the wayside.

    Now, I'm sure there's a community of dedicated Pong enthusiasts somewhere on the internet, but I'm talking about general public consensus on media.

    To get to the root of what I suspect this thread is really about, the reason no one talks about Hanna-Barbera cartoons anymore is because they've been out of popular consciousness for a long time, and for anyone but an animation buff, there's very little reason to go back and revisit them. The humor has generally not endured that well, and the only HB franchise that's still popularly known and decently well regarded (Scooby) has consistently had new iterations over the years (which is not to say anything about the quality of said iterations, that's irrelevant here).

    HB cartoons also didn't make enough of a cultural impact over time to receive that coveted "classic" status that say, Looney Tunes have. HB cartoons are the sort of thing one has fond memories of, for certain, but the reason no one's tried reviving the vast majority of those properties is that there's just nothing to do with them. We are, by and large, long past the heyday of anthropomorphic animal cartoons, the only ones left have some kind of very long legacy associated with them (such as say, Disney's newer cartoon shorts that they do in their classic style). For a generation that is growing up on Adventure Time, there is no inherent, immediate appeal in HB cartoons. They're something you have to be interested in the field first to see the value of, for the most part.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    man this thread's not about HB for once, it just is something I seem to have noticed, unless it's a faulty perception
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    also I have a lot of feelings about WB's mistreatment of H-B and other classic characters but I will go into them another time
  • Anonus said:

    man this thread's not about HB for once, it just is something I seem to have noticed, unless it's a faulty perception

    Seems to be a bit of a faulty perception, to be honest. Like, I don't think I've ever run to someone who disliked something just because it's old.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I have run into it.

    Not often, but I have.
  • It happens.  Plenty of people hating stuff just 'cause it's new, too.
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    Morven said:

    It happens.  Plenty of people hating stuff just 'cause it's new, too.

    There is indeed an abundance of that.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    My experience with hardcore Touhou players' opinions is that the newer a Touhou game is, the more shitty it is. :D
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    Doesn't that mean each new touhou title makes the previous ones better?
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Exactly!
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    Personally not crazy about IN, and I quite enjoy SA (in spite of difficulty), so I'm definitely not hardcore.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    something awful: the touhou game

    feat. nuclear hell raven
  • I dunno I liked Double-Dealing Character even though I am bad at it.

    But the Touhou series has been running long enough that having ups and downs is kind of inevitable.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    DDC is fun and I like it. *shrug*
  • Miracle Mallet "Make-You-Grow-Bigger" is one of the more interesting spellcards in the series.

    Annoying, but interesting.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    touhou was better in the pc98 era

    i don't actually believe this
  • DAE think Highly Responsive to Prayers best Touhou game
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    hrp was the one that had the weird arkanoid thing going on, right?
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    Exactly that. Arkanoid with bullets.
  • I kinda wanna play HRP sometime just because I think I'd be decent at it.

    I used to be great at Arkanoid but it's been years.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    I never 1cc'd Highly Responsive to Prayers because I never learned how to not suck at it.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    every new Zelda game is the worst one, and then becomes pure classic greatness when the next one comes out
  • Heh, true that.

    We seem to be in an odd place in World of Warcraft; people actually like the current expansion rather than endlessly whining in nostalgia for old ones.  Of course, it's only been out a month so they may change.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Zelda has gotten formulaic over time but it's an interesting series, to be certain.
  • Splat Charger Specialist
    Miko said:

    Zelda has gotten formulaic over time but it's an interesting series, to be certain.

    As much as I love Zelda, I agree. Which is why I love a Link Between Worlds, and look forward to the new, similarly non-linear one as well.
  • edited 2014-12-06 08:14:09
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    im a spooky ghost.

    i think oldness actually imparts a kind of charm in itself, but it depends how old.  Like late 1990s to mid 2000s stuff is currently well-liked due to nostalgia, whereas stuff that's just a couple of years old already feels passé.  It's stuff from before the current wave of nostalgia-fuel that acquires a charm purely by dint of being old.

    Also sometimes relatively recent stuff feels like it's outstayed its welcome if it becomes too omnipresent.  (i'm already sick of 'Anaconda' references, personally.)

    Also wrt cartoons (what follows is totally uninformed but i'm just gonna rattle off my impressions):

    Old cartoons are still good but imo you need to be sparing and careful with them unless you're running an actual dedicated nostalgia channel. You can't really go wrong with Looney Tunes shorts, providing you check them for objectionable content; you can put them in a regular time slot and run them like you would a TV show. Old H-B shows have not tended to age so well, so you would need to be more cautious. imo the biggest problem there is not the aesthetic but the humour.

    Humour is a really tricky cause if it's even slightly off the mark it can fall utterly flat. People complain about foreign comedies not being funny, but the adage about the past being a foreign country holds here, too. There are some things that are funny enough to withstand the test of time, but what was mildly funny maybe 20 years ago can just seem a bit naff now.

    Where aesthetics are concerned i think it's an obstacle but unless you want to bring back something pre-technicolor you can probably get around it by just being sparing and being mindful of timeslots; trends exist but given how bizarre and ugly a lot of popular cartoons have purposefully been, i think the evidence shows audiences are willing to adjust to that.

    Pre-technicolor... i think there's an audience for it, but not enough to make it a regular feature.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I'm of the thinking that if Turner Classic Movies can have an enduring audience almost exclusively running films that were made before any of us were born, then there’s room for Cartoon Network to air some older cartoons sometimes.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i dunno, i could be wrong but it think it's because they almost exclusively run old films that they're able to do that.  They've got their niche.

    Whereas if a channel becomes synonymous with recent cartoons, audiences will expect new and fresh cartoons from them, and old shows would feel out of place.  They might be able to hold their own in a lower-priority timeslot, though.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I would like to go hard with the Looney Tunes. I have complete confidence in them.

    But old H-B shows...there's only one real chance to get them back out there, I worry. There are at least two pros: Scooby-Doo is still relevant and well-liked, and the H-B connection is still known, and there's Pebbles cereal. Even though Post keeps fucking up the formula for Cocoa Pebbles.

    The Huck/Quick Draw/Yogi trifecta has a charm that, in my mind, has not been duplicated by anything else, ever. It might be dated, but it's fun still.
  • I don't think most people really know anything about Huckleberry Hound or Quickdraw McGraw.

    Yogi has slightly more public presence, but none of it is for positive reasons.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I notice he tends to get made fun of a lot these days...

    But yeah, it's called "reintroduction".
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    gonna say that, even as an old person, I was never more than vaguely aware that Huckleberry Hound or Quickdraw McGraw even existed
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    As for Yogi: I don't really like him much as a character, something about him seems too "perfect", too "unreal". But Boo Boo? I like him. I like how he's along for the ride with this larger-than-life figure, in adoration of him all the way. He feels much more real than Yogi.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Also, seeing as how this warrants it now: part of the reason ABC Warner-me is itching so bad to get this stuff back in the spotlight is because Fred Seibert and Cartoon Network were in the middle of getting H-B back on the map. Then WB came in and messed that all up.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Even if they couldn't do it "right", it does seem like CN and Boomerang did save this stuff from complete obscurity.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I don't know, everything about the way WB handled Hanna-Barbera and treated Bill and Joe in their final years rubs me the wrong way. I wish it were possible to undo their damage and do the revival right.
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