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Friday is the last day of net neutrality commenting

AnonusAnonus
edited 2014-07-16 20:55:18 in General
Here's a place where you can send comments to FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler.

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  • MorvenMorven
    I thought you were going to require us to subscribe to your media empire in order to continue to have commenting privileges here ...


  • AnonusAnonus
    edited 2014-07-15 03:52:10
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    How would I have done that? Made you all wear ABC logo hats or something? Tattooed the logo somewhere on your body?
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    AU feels very strongly about net neutrality, actually.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Yes, I do.

    I do kind of wonder if people here think this is gonna be another SOPA-type thing that blows over and things will go on as usual, but it's still kind of sad to me that, if ISPs don't get their way, this is probably going to be the state of the Internet from now on: every couple of years some big threat emerges and causes a big storm before it is brought down.

    But there is a fear in me that eventually something nasty will become agreeable enough to companies like Google that it will pass. I don't want that to happen, and if it has to be staved off then it has to be staved off.
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    I have largely just come to accept that the internet as it exists now will soon become a thing of the past.

    It is not pretty, but there is only so much that strongly-worded letters can do, and if the government continues to give corporations free reign like this, things like this will happen.
  • AnonusAnonus
    edited 2014-07-15 05:01:06
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Part of me wonders if things'll get worse with or without government involvement. Google and Facebook are not exactly friends of the people, and there is a trend towards consolidation of Internet platforms into the hands of a handful of companies which they are among. (YouTube, Instagram, Tumblr and Oculus were all acquired by tech giants shortly after attaining mainstream relevance, for instance)
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    I really don't like consolidation like this.
  • Imipolex GImipolex G
    Touch the cow. Do it now.
    me neither
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    We need some people to not give into big fat offers from major tech companies to buy out their startups.

    In the meantime, though, I will continue making separate accounts for everything.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    We need some people to not give into big fat offers from major tech companies to buy out their startups.

    In the meantime, though, I will continue making separate accounts for everything.

    So, how do you propose they raise the money?
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Independent online companies usually rely on venture capital funding to stay in business.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    ^^ By doing so slowly.
  • KlinotaxisKlinotaxis
    kill living beings
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/07/15/fcc-delays-net-neutrality-comment-period/12688577/
  • ButtwangsButtwangs
    BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS
    This is why I hate humans.
    This is why I hate money.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Humans are greedy, therefore they are human.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Klinotaxis said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/07/15/fcc-delays-net-neutrality-comment-period/12688577/

    A good omen? I hope so...
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  • Yarrun XIXYarrun XIX
    Whores! we want "poems that kill."
    Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
    guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
    and take their weapons leaving them dead
    All the heavy hitters from Silicon Valley have had their say. The Internet Association, a lobbying group representing Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter and other Internet companies, filed its comment Monday and called for "strong" rules that would ensure net neutrality. "Segregation of the Internet into fast lanes and slow lanes will distort the market, discourage innovation and harm Internet users," said The Internet Association President Michael Beckerman in a statement. "The FCC must act to create strong, enforceable net neutrality rules and apply them equally to both wireless and wire-line providers."
    Glad to know that some of the shifty untrustworthy companies are on our side.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    ^^ By doing so slowly.

    Oddly enough, investors don't tend to like that.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Yeah, and I don't like that.

    It's like everyone is trying to create the next big thing and then cash out on it.  And they want instant success (where in this case instant means within a few months or a year at most).  And people expect success in such short timeframes -- either it's gonna be explosive success or a bust.

    This isn't the way to do things.  What happened to building one's business little by little?
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    edited 2014-07-15 20:16:01
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Mo The Show said:

    I have largely just come to accept that the internet as it exists now will soon become a thing of the past.

    It is not pretty, but there is only so much that strongly-worded letters can do, and if the government continues to give corporations free reign like this, things like this will happen.

    That is not a very helpful way of looking at the situation, and gives little credit to the fact that most of the rest of the connected world is not like that.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    Yeah, and I don't like that.

    It's like everyone is trying to create the next big thing and then cash out on it.  And they want instant success (where in this case instant means within a few months or a year at most).  And people expect success in such short timeframes -- either it's gonna be explosive success or a bust.

    This isn't the way to do things.  What happened to building one's business little by little?

    Ok, let's take a recent example of a startup buyout. Oculus VR. It was pretty clear from the start that they would need a whole lot more money to get things working than a Kickstarter would be able to provide. Hardware is by no means a cheap business, and R&D isn't either. And they've got some big competitors. Without a significant cash boost, and fast, they would be left in the dust. Sony has infinitely more resources than Oculus did before the buyout. So, what should they have done? Stood around twiddling their thumbs and letting others beat them to the punch?
  • Sredni VashtarSredni Vashtar
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    On the one hand, you are not incorrect that it is in the interest of such a company to receive major corporate backing. It makes good business sense.

    On the other, that doesn't make the consolidation of tech companies any less worrisome.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Yarrun XIX said:

    Glad to know that some of the shifty untrustworthy companies are on our side.



    but what about the lifty untrustworthy companies

    ignore me
  • MorvenMorven
    I think one can blame the Silicon Valley venture capitalists for this.  They have a high-stakes gambling approach to making money; rather than aiming low, they aim for the moon and hope one of their companies is a Saturn V.  But all the rest just fail.  Many of which could have been successful small to medium-sized companies.

    Perhaps it's true that the one hit makes up for all the losses, but it's a horrible way to look at the world.  
  • lee4hmzlee4hmz
    ⚠ THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    That attitude is why I don't think I'd fit in at all in the Valley. It's too competitive and too macho. :P
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2014-07-16 13:24:52
    lee4hmz said:

    That attitude is why I don't think I'd fit in at all in the Valley. It's too competitive and too macho. :P


    Sometimes I look at tech companies and I see basically a repeat of the California Gold Rush and a large pile of abandoned projects along the wayside.

    Just because it's something that VCs like to do doesn't mean it's a good thing.
  • AlirozAliroz
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Meh, the main reason I even want the internet to even keep existing is for talking with you guys.  Webcomics, I could get in print, I already do my learning from books, and media I can just purchase legitimately.

    I don't see why people see so much at stake when the internet is threatened.
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    First and foremost, because a large and growing portion of the population make their living off of the internet, and would be unable to do so if this "fast lane/slow lane" thing were implemented.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    edited 2014-07-16 15:40:26
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    I don't see why people see so much at stake when the internet is threatened.
    Let me be blunt here: This is an incredibly dangerous way of thinking.

    The internet has become vitally important for a variety of reasons. For example, the dissemination of information that countries either want to keep concealed, or sources flat out can't be bothered to report on (see: Eliot Higgins's/Brown Moses's information on the Syria conflict, leading to stuff like the discovery of the use of cluster bombs by the Syrian government).

    This also ties into the advancement of human rights, allowing  people in other nations to know what's going on in nations where human rights abuses are happening. (See: the 2013-14 Turkish protests, or Golden Dawn problems in Greece. Do you really think we'd have got as much information as we did without the internet?)
  • AlirozAliroz
    edited 2014-07-16 17:05:03
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    V Okay, Anonus.

    My apologies.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Aliroz, please, don't use THIS thread to post things that need to be decoded.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Also, there are many businesses based on selling content over the internet, entirely legitimately.  Steam and iTunes are two examples.  Media content over the internet is by far not just the realm of digital piracy.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Aliroz said:

    V Okay, Anonus.

    My apologies.

    You could also just post things in plain English.

    Also, the title has been edited.
  • AnonusAnonus
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Today's the last day!
  • Salix BabylonikaSalix Babylonika
    https://i.imgur.com/IoGc2jA.jpg
    aye.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    It's like, hey, letters! You can only send letters to these and these people, on this stationary, using this ink. Where do you get all these things? From US AND US ALONE

    WE ARE YOUR GOD AND WE ARE YOUR JEALOUS MAIL GOD
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