Social Justice and Other Such Issues

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  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    The Citizens United decision, Tumblr and the Arab Spring started the 2010's, I think.
  • edited 2014-07-10 02:00:07
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    I think that Occupy Wall Street was the official moment that the zeitgeist of the 2010's became obvious to Americans, much like how Beatlemania did the same in the 1960's.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    True.

    I hope that social democracy or even democratic socialism finally comes to the United States soon. It's been a long time coming.
  • kill living beings
    i think of the green revolution, meself
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    That's still in the works. While every scientist not an industry shill or a backwards crank has admitted that climate change and global weirding are things that are happening, you still have kooky fundie Congressmen and oblivious Australian sheep farmers fiddling in the blaze. And a lot of people just plain old don't understand the issue.

    I love people, but sometimes I hate people. It's complicated.
  • kill living beings
    not that one. the thing in 2009-2010 where we all thought twitter was going to destroy iran.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Oh, that thing!

    Yeah, Iran's gradually increasing disillusionment with its regime does seem to be part of the Zeitgeist.
  • kill living beings
    it's just the first time i saw youtube videos from world events as they were occuring. so a personal thing. insofar as something in iran is personal to some american.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    tbh the first green revolution i think of is norman borlaug
  • Lilly said:

    tbh the first green revolution i think of is norman borlaug

    same.
  • True.


    I hope that social democracy or even democratic socialism finally comes to the United States soon. It's been a long time coming.
    I doubt it.

    You'd have to like, somehow sneak it in without calling it that, given how the average American still considers "Socialism" a dirty word.
  • kill living beings
    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
  • edited 2014-07-10 21:33:13
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    [image removed]

    shitthatdidn'thappen.txt
  • the reason we leave r/mensrights threads as links is cuz some of us would prefer to not see those posts, CA :/
  • the reason we leave r/mensrights threads as links is cuz some of us would prefer to not see those posts, CA :/


  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    In my defense, I was just reposting a screenshot from the idiocy Lee linked above. :P
  • yes it was a link. not an image embeddeded into the thread, a link
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Oh fine, I'll edit it out.
  • Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
  • also the last socialist candidate for the presidency (Alexander Stewart in 2012) won literally less than 0.01% of the vote

    not that that's unusual for a third party candidate, but still.
  • My dreams exceed my real life


    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
    Socialists do not organize well.

    Probably because of the goddamn TROTS
  • edited 2014-07-10 21:41:15
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Well, you've asked me to change images to links or spoilered images in the past, Central.

    Maybe a spoiler is the best solution?
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022


    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
    Honestly, I feel like our best bet at this point is to wait for the Democratic Party to slowly drift into socialist territory.

    The downside is that this will basically happen at a glacier's pace.


    Aliroz said:

    Well, you've asked me to change images to links or spoilered images in the past, Central.

    Maybe a spoiler is the best solution?

    Good idea. I think it's fine as it is now, though, since Lee linked it above.
  • Odradek said:


    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
    Socialists do not organize well.

    Probably because of the goddamn TROTS
    Trotsykists are Communists.

    Which, honestly, the finer point of even that distinction is lost amongst most people, which is where this sort of problem stems from.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Odradek said:


    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
    Socialists do not organize well.

    Probably because of the goddamn TROTS
    Trotsykists are Communists.

    Which, honestly, the finer point of even that distinction is lost amongst most people, which is where this sort of problem stems from.
    I am joking at the inability of left-movements to find any common ground.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    myrmidon's making fun of stalinists
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I thought the American thought on Socialism was something along the lines of "It works in some places in Europe, but wouldn't work in the United States".
  • Aliroz said:

    I thought the American thought on Socialism was something along the lines of "It works in some places in Europe, but wouldn't work in the United States".

    the American thought on Socialism is less a thought and more an intense ball of burning, irrational hatred.
  • edited 2014-07-10 21:50:04
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Nah, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people in the united states are pretty glad for muckraker-type reforms and the ensuing "Workplaces should not be deathtraps and monopolies aren't cool, also, unions are a thing that should exist" socialism of the Robber Baron era. I mean, I'm pretty sure nobody really regrets the "you have to list ingredients on food and medicine" laws.
  • That's a step toward socialism but is not socialism in of itself.
  • So's the recent minimum wage raise in Seattle, incidentally, but again, not actually Socialism proper.
  • I should probably like read Kommunist Manifesto before I go spouting off about this tbh.
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I'm not quite sure who these people with the burning irrational hatred of socialism are. Maybe it's the same as the people who worship guns and apparently think the sun orbits the earth.
  • You know, funnily enough, in your attempt to be sarcastic, you have actually hit the nail on the head.
  • As of today the only US member organization of the worldwide Socialist International is the Democratic Socialists of America. In 2008, the Democratic Socialists of America supported Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama in his race against Republican candidate John McCain. Following Obama's election, many on the right[218]
    began to allege that his administration's policies were "socialistic," a
    claim rejected by DSA and the Obama administration alike. The
    widespread use of the word "socialism" as a political epithet against the Obama government by its opponents caused National Director Frank Llewellyn
    to declare that "over the past 12 months, the Democratic Socialists of
    America has received more media attention than it has over the past 12
    years."[219]

  • kill living beings


    Well yeah. You just kinda slowly extend the welfare state in mostly inoffensive ways instead of going HA HA, VICTORY TO THE PROLETARIAT

    personally i kinda wish we had negative income tax

    yeah but the in-the-bones rejection the average American has to the very idea of Socialism has prevented them from even organizing properly.

    there's like five hundred American Socialist Parties and they all have like four members each.
    well what i'm talking about is basically the same 'slow drifting' thing you mentioned is all. don't have to call yourself socialist. and like myrmidon said the billion parties thing is hilariously not american-exclusive at all.

    I should probably like read Kommunist Manifesto before I go spouting off about this tbh.

    it's mostly yelling at socialists who are doing it wrong. don't bother. read an economist from this millenium, like sen or stiglitz.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.

    well what i'm talking about is basically the same 'slow drifting' thing you mentioned is all. don't have to call yourself socialist. and like myrmidon said the billion parties thing is hilariously not american-exclusive at all.



    A socialist-leaning friend of mine linked me an article mocking all the different socialist parties in the United Kingdom a while back. It's an amusing read.
  • kill living beings
    disappointed noone's called for a sixth international, smh
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    i've actually seen the spartacists before.  lol.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Argh, I saw an ad for some awful neocon group on a YouTube video I was watching, and now I'm all "If the British couldn't control the Levant, what makes you think you can? And if you suggest nukes, you're going straight to whatever hell Hitler and Stalin are in. :P"
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”


    True.


    I hope that social democracy or even democratic socialism finally comes to the United States soon. It's been a long time coming.
    I doubt it.

    You'd have to like, somehow sneak it in without calling it that, given how the average American still considers "Socialism" a dirty word.
    There was a recent poll in which something like 30% of respondents said that they approved of socialism in principle while 33% were either on the fence or admitted that they didn't know enough to say either way. Of course, the remainder were opposed or strongly opposed, but even if that's a biased sample, it's not improbable that it's more representative than the far right would have you think. Consider that back at the turn of the century Eugene V. Debs garnered 20% of the vote when running against Warren G. Harding from prison.

    I think that we are almost ready for things to improve. I can understand being sceptical from where you are, but not all of America is... like that.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    That and I think we're finally getting past the Red Scare mentality that the Cold War perpetuated, and realising that some socialist-inspired things can get done without turning the country into North Korea.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    As radical as the Stalinist regimes were, they were also highly reactionary as well, restricting free speech and sexuality essentially for the hell of it.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    See the old canard "Red Fascism," an expression actually invented by democratic socialists.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    the problem is that if you call yourself a socialist the people funding superpacs will hate you
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    There are other ways to reach a mass audience.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    tell me if you manage to find one that isn't easier for people with money
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Everything is easier for people with tonnes of money. That's moving the goalposts.
  • edited 2014-07-11 01:39:21

    Everything is easier for people with tonnes of money.

    Jesus said:

    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

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