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  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    So, fascism with slightly not as bad connotations. 
  • if tyou mean very slightly then yes. again all three of those tenets are aspects of fascism. Whether Neoconservatism isn't as bad, just as bad, or even worse is up for debate.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    Does "corporatism/corporate stateism" mean that the corporations sponsor the state, or is it the other way around?
  • It's a cyclical system actually involving nepotism and very similar if not identical to "crony capitalism". The state props up corporations through subsidies and special favors including legislation to harm competitions and create monopolies. and in turn the corporation usually pays back in kind usually with financial gain.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    What about nationalism? That sounds vaguely familiar, but I forgot the exact definition.
  • It depends. There are two meanings of Nationalism htat I've generally encountered the version I'm using is more closely tied to Jingoism The support of one nation's interests to the exclusion of others. Usually involves establishign a national identity and attempting to enforce conformity with such an identity Like Neoconservative concepts of "Americanism" or the uniform monoculturalism in fascist italy.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    So nationalism causes isolationism? 
  • No not necessarily. Nationalists are rarely ever Isolationists actually favoring militaristic imperialism and assimilation of different cultures and lands.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind

    Oh, ok.

    Could you tell me more about paleoconservatism? That sounds better.

  • Only slightly. Paleoconservatives are more closely linked to a mix of classical liberal (free market) economics but have much of the social authoritarianism of Neoconservatism. While neoconservative social authoriatarianism is closer to nationalism Paleoconservative social policies more often favor theocratic principles (I.e. Enforcing religious idea sin to law) Usually resulring in the abridging of rights in the name of religon such ascensorship of the media and speech for anything deamed "immoral" or "sinful" treating homosexuals as immoral and reducing them to second class citizens with abridged rights. Et cetera.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    That brings to mind fundamentalism. Am I completely off the mark here?
  • No right on the money. But i'm not sure if im using paleoconservatism to mean what I think it means so I reeally wouldn't quote me on this one but my understanding is that it is indeed that specific branch of conservatism. Somebody please correct me if i'm mistaken. Like I said though Paleoconservatism also shares many tenets with classical liberalism especially in economic and government ideals. I'm just not certain if it's the branch that incorporates fundamentalism or not. Admittedly it's the branch that IK have the second least understanding of next to Neoliberalism.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind
    What's neoliberalism? 
  • Like I said i'm not exactly clear on Neoliberalism or Paleoconservatism other then the fact that they seem to share elements of classical liberalism to what extent i'm unsure.
  • But yeah my earlier description of Paleoconservatism seems to be accuret. from the sources i've checked. Neoliberalism still needs a bit of work.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ...well that was a strange derail.
  • Yes it was. I'm sorry I wasn't able to be more informative on Neoliberalism and Paleoconservsatism and I hope You enjoye dthe discussion.
  • edited 2011-12-12 23:38:32
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  • Squid you think you could help me with Neoliberalism and Paleoconservatism? There areas i'm admittedly kind of lost in.
  • Also i'm very sorry about that Anon but Space asked.
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  • From what you describe Paleoconservatism seems closer to classical liberalism While if i'm reading what i'm reading correctly Neoliberalism is not a whole political ideology but simply an economic ideology. At any rate I've also heard that Paleocons are closely tied to Theocons on social issues but i'm not sure.
  • edited 2011-12-12 23:59:28
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  • Ah good point that's not an aspect of classical liberalism or social liberalism as far as I know. and Brian Patrick Mitchell helps to clerify the simmilarity between Paleo and Theo. I tend to use his work as well as the work of RG Price these days.
  • i wish to come up with a song lyric for this signature, but no song lyrics are coming to mind

    Yes it was. I'm sorry I wasn't able to be more informative on Neoliberalism and Paleoconservsatism and I hope You enjoye dthe discussion.

    I did, it was very interesting!

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    edited 2011-12-13 20:52:58
    Yeah... yeah!!! hell yeah!!!
    Hurry tnu run or the minotaur will get you. The minotaur of classical liberalistic socialism. 
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  • edited 2011-12-13 22:16:54
    I beg your pardon. I'm not sure you know what classical liberalism is what your talking about is Social Democracy or Social Liberalism. Generally socialism is not compatible with classical liberalism actually. Being more in line with Neoliberalism and market liberalism (Which follow ideals more closely attuned to the Austrian and Chicago schools of economic theory) classical liberalism would be by modern American standards a politically syncratic ideology taking fiscal conservatism along with cultural liberalism. Something I doubt you support.
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