i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Bunny said:Man, I would just like it if this place had more discussion of board games. ...Does anyone here play stuff like Settlers of Catan and Power Grid and the like?
Friday and I play the SHIT out of Settlers. Small Words also sees much play.
Anyhow, if this place is like a better us where people get to make sweeping generalizations based on other's ideology, that 's sort of like discovering an alternative universe version of yourself that's like super dapper but also a serial killer.
@Mo: Ideally, I would agree, but occasionally I find staring into the abyss cathartic—or hilarious, if I have enough proverbial plate glass between me and the monstrous...
@Mo: Ideally, I would agree, but occasionally I find staring into the abyss cathartic—or hilarious, if I have enough proverbial plate glass between me and the monstrous...
If anything else it's a constant reminder for me of why politics is such a bunch of Hay. I remember posting on the wiki-talk threads about removing some of the... More excessively joyful about maybe something they shouldn't be.
I don't have a problem with Deadpool, he's actually a rather decent concept, I have a problem with poorly done Deadpool, because getting him wrong results in the dumbest thing since *insert popular to hate media here*
I hold no ill will against the character, but whoever thought that applying the joke to the article was even a remotely good idea really did not think very far...
there is no good way to do "guy who knows he's in a comic book". Or "guy who knows he's in a video game", or "guy who knows he's in a [WHATEVER WHO CARES]" and try to make that work as a character concept. Deadpool isn't a character, he is a joke. A joke that stopped being funny years ago but who is never going to die because people who wear super mario t-shirts find this shit hilarious and I'm going to go cry now.
I hold no ill will against the character, but whoever thought that applying the joke to the article was even a remotely good idea really did not think very far...
^ Exactly.
They also do it for Doctor Doom and the Joker...
It's just stupid to try to make a character explain tropes. The type of style that TvTropes SHOULD be is neutral and informative, with perhaps a hint of dry wit. Giving a page a voice chucks that shit out the fucking window at mach 5.
though honestly as anyone who knows about it will tell you the worst thing about TVT is that they store your password in easily-accessible plaintext because despite being a professional coder Eddie just doesn't care about anything.
there is no good way to do "guy who knows he's in a comic book". Or "guy who knows he's in a video game", or "guy who knows he's in a [WHATEVER WHO CARES]" and try to make that work as a character concept. Deadpool isn't a character, he is a joke. A joke that stopped being funny years ago but who is never going to die because people who wear super mario t-shirts find this shit hilarious and I'm going to go cry now.
There is, in my opinion. It is simply very, very hard to pull off with any degree of verisimilitude.
I hold no ill will against the character, but whoever thought that applying the joke to the article was even a remotely good idea really did not think very far...
^ Exactly.
They also do it for Doctor Doom and the Joker...
It's just stupid to try to make a character explain tropes. The type of style that TvTropes SHOULD be is neutral and informative, with perhaps a hint of dry wit. Giving a page a voice chucks that shit out the fucking window at mach 5.
@ Mojave: I wouldn't call Deadpool a joke. He's more of a sketch, like the Dead Parrot bit in Monty Python (or, really, almost everything involving Monty Python). And a sketch works well when it's combined with other sketches in a creative manner, or when it subverts its own content (like Gunshow does with the aforementioned Dead Parrot bit). It's just when the sketch keeps repeating itself over and over again that it gets dull. And that's what happens when Deadpool gets in the hands of writers who don't want to do new things with Deadpool.
Still, Marvel's had this thing with having an alt-Deadpool go on a murderous streak (in a direct reference to the Punisher doing the same thing in his first appearance), going around and killing off every superbeing in a number of alt-universes. That, that was stupid. And it's still being stupid, unfortunately. So I can understand where you're coming from. It's just that I think it's an issue with undue focus than the character himself.
And the self-awareness bit can be done well; it just needs a bit of restraint. She-Hulk did it (or at least used to do it), and she's still a respectable character.
I don't see much of a problem with Deadpool as a character concept. That said, I've never read or watched or played any Deadpool. I also am not much of a fan of Monty Python's style, though...
And is it just me or did anyone else not really have that much of a problem with the "this troper" thing? At least, this is my perspective as a user. Maybe the perspective is different if one is a moderator and has to deal with the fallout of a tropes section ballooning into a huge flamewar and then everyone becoming butthurt when it gets baleeted by some third-party user. But frankly speaking, the tropes sections have always been works-in-progress, and no one ever checks the talk pages anyway, so it makes far more sense to put comments in sub-bullets and annotations.
I mean, if it's a construction site anyway, you might as well not try to make it look like a fully-completed building, before it's fully completed. Of course, this asks the question of when it would be fully-completed, to which I'd reply that there ought to be a more convenient way to annotate a page with comments, rather than either the discussion page or the forums.
But yeah, I still go there. Somehow I'm not banned. I came close once though when trying to argue that TVT should kick out all the stupidity while retaining all the information about pornographic works for encyclopedicness's sake.
As for (the present-day) IJBM, my hope is that it's a place where anyone can talk about anything, and get a fair (and if relevant, detailed) assessment of whatever it is, and that includes taking apart stupid things and figuring out exactly why they are stupid.
Now I fully admit that I have a much greater tendency (on any forum) to try to go through a topic comprehensively and address every little point and end up being a bit long-winded. Maybe this comes across as pretentious, and if so, sorry, because that's not what I mean to do.
I will support first person pages only if we get the person who writes that character to do them.
If there are multiple people who wrote that character, the person with the greatest amount of talent at writing said character must do it.
So if we're doing a first-person page for Spider-Man, would you say that Stan Lee, Roger Stern, Paul Jenkins, Joe Kelly, Erik Larsen, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, John Byrne, Dan Slott, or any of the veritable legion of writers have the most talent?
I will support first person pages only if we get the person who writes that character to do them.
If there are multiple people who wrote that character, the person with the greatest amount of talent at writing said character must do it.
So if we're doing a first-person page for Spider-Man, would you say that Stan Lee, Roger Stern, Paul Jenkins, Joe Kelly, Erik Larsen, Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, John Byrne, Dan Slott, or any of the veritable legion of writers have the most talent?
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
If someone is a victim blamer or bigoted then I think they already are a jerk, but I think you mean that actions are more important than words, and I agree.
Many Cajuns make a living by killing alligators. But it would be remiss of me to say that all Cajuns should be killed; because people should be judged by what they do, not what they are.
The problem with Jerk Conservatives is that they're jerks, not that they're conservatives.
Really, I think that judging how people individually act upon their ideology is the best course of action. A person may act in a way that is much more open and forgiving than their ideology would suggest, after all. But at the same time, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. If faced with the choice between supporting an asinine individual actively fighting for the rights and freedoms of innocent people and an affable one fighting misguidedly but passionately for strictures on them, I will side with the ass because their actions are ultimately for the better where the other's are not.
If faced with the choice between supporting an asinine individual actively fighting for the rights and freedoms of innocent people and an affable one fighting misguidedly but passionately for strictures on them, I would probably run.
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i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
...Does anyone here play stuff like Settlers of Catan and Power Grid and the like?
Friday and I play the SHIT out of Settlers. Small Words also sees much play.
I miss it. And Lola.
Pulling teeth.
didn't those all get axed?
well
I know they were supposed to get axed, but it takes forever for anything to ever actually happen over there.
no, no you don't understand
there is no good way to do "guy who knows he's in a comic book". Or "guy who knows he's in a video game", or "guy who knows he's in a [WHATEVER WHO CARES]" and try to make that work as a character concept. Deadpool isn't a character, he is a joke. A joke that stopped being funny years ago but who is never going to die because people who wear super mario t-shirts find this shit hilarious and I'm going to go cry now.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Still, Marvel's had this thing with having an alt-Deadpool go on a murderous streak (in a direct reference to the Punisher doing the same thing in his first appearance), going around and killing off every superbeing in a number of alt-universes. That, that was stupid. And it's still being stupid, unfortunately. So I can understand where you're coming from. It's just that I think it's an issue with undue focus than the character himself.
And the self-awareness bit can be done well; it just needs a bit of restraint. She-Hulk did it (or at least used to do it), and she's still a respectable character.
Self-awareness can work if done right.
Mo', if you don't like TVT, don't read it.
And is it just me or did anyone else not really have that much of a problem with the "this troper" thing? At least, this is my perspective as a user. Maybe the perspective is different if one is a moderator and has to deal with the fallout of a tropes section ballooning into a huge flamewar and then everyone becoming butthurt when it gets baleeted by some third-party user. But frankly speaking, the tropes sections have always been works-in-progress, and no one ever checks the talk pages anyway, so it makes far more sense to put comments in sub-bullets and annotations.
I mean, if it's a construction site anyway, you might as well not try to make it look like a fully-completed building, before it's fully completed. Of course, this asks the question of when it would be fully-completed, to which I'd reply that there ought to be a more convenient way to annotate a page with comments, rather than either the discussion page or the forums.
But yeah, I still go there. Somehow I'm not banned. I came close once though when trying to argue that TVT should kick out all the stupidity while retaining all the information about pornographic works for encyclopedicness's sake.
As for (the present-day) IJBM, my hope is that it's a place where anyone can talk about anything, and get a fair (and if relevant, detailed) assessment of whatever it is, and that includes taking apart stupid things and figuring out exactly why they are stupid.
Now I fully admit that I have a much greater tendency (on any forum) to try to go through a topic comprehensively and address every little point and end up being a bit long-winded. Maybe this comes across as pretentious, and if so, sorry, because that's not what I mean to do.
If there are multiple people who wrote that character, the person with the greatest amount of talent at writing said character must do it.
-puts out fire-
"Person with the greatest amount of talent"
nonononono.
see, jerk liberals are very rarely worse than annoying. Jerk conservatives on the other hand, run this country.
You tell me why it doesn't make sense for me to hate the latter more than the former.
The problem with Jerk Conservatives is that they're jerks, not that they're conservatives.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
actively fighting for the rights and freedoms of innocent people and an
affable one fighting misguidedly but passionately for strictures on
them, I would probably run.