The fasho thread for fascists

edited 2013-02-14 17:13:27 in General
Here we do fasho things like watch Breaking Bad and watch Zizek videos and read comics.

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  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Sorry, I mean comix.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Is this a reference to somebody on twitter?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    It is a reference to a particular gang of twitter marxists, yes.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    The planet Pandora is as you say plainly an allegory of the telecom and entertainment industries. Plug in to this abundance. The two levels of allegory collapse and divide continually. Avatar=the avatar.

    Pandora’s proprietor species has superficial features of “indigenous” cultures…(Margaret Laurent has detailed the borrowings from Vodun)…but the Na’Vi tribe is a fantasy of a superior race, natural lords of the entertainment and telecom industry/Pandora (and Pandora has always been the trope of technology), a fantasy self- image of the proprietors of our actual entertainment industry (Cameron, Jobs, etc), a Nietzschean self portrait as they imagine themselves in their natural state, as they ought be, before they were taxed or dragged down by modernity, democracy, slave morality – strong, homogenous, the blond beasts of Nietzschean dreams, blue, healthy, natural aristocrats. On horseback and dragonback. Flying their private jets.

    This allegory of a *specific industry* (Pandora= Digital Media, the allegory collapses as avatar/avatar, nature-in-film/spectacle) is central to the film’s principal ideological mission, a self-justification: this industry is presenting itself as innocent of imperialism and capitalism. It is reinforcing an increasingly precarious commodity fetishism, repairing a threadbare veil on itself.

    This industry – spectacle – is offering itself, its commodity entertainments, as the compensation for and redemption of the real planet earth and our species humanity (foils to the Na’Vi natural supermen in several too familiar ways – depraved, unhealthy/disabled, and diverse) it destroys. This thing – Avatar, the enterprise – destroys nature and humanity to produce itself, but one ought be pleased, it seduces its audience to think, because it offers a virtual substitute for what it has taken (the common, human health and – very significantly – freedom and leisure): it dresses its capitalist imperialist destruction up as its opposite for a wired elite to enjoy, to be compensated by (the pleasure of watching Avatar is offered a small elite of the planet’s population in exchange for the lost leisure of life without the need to sell labour power) and it reminds that elite (invited to identify with the Na’Vi and indeed to inhabit as their avatar the Na’Vi’s newest member and leader) of its real superiority and virtues and natural rights to this spectacle produced by the expropriation, enslavement, destruction of the not tall and blue not monogamous not homogenous not supermen and the earth they/we live on.

    Avatar presents a vision wherein Pandora/Digital Media/Entertainment Industry is supplied with unobtainium by natural right and wherein it is a monstrous interplanetary crime to ponder a challenge to its monopoly on its sources of wealth (we can easily see the plea for intellectual property protection here as well). At the same time it takes a seemingly “dissident” stance by condemning its assigned culprit (humanity depicted as the US/imperial earth military) for the actual way real concrete Pandora/Avatar The Commodity and the Enterprise has accumulated capital. It is a less noble other, humanity, that seeks to attain it violently; the noble Na’Vi (entertainment industry moguls) declare their innocence of this process of imperialist conquest and expropriation and capitalist exploitation. In the fantasy it is easy to recognise the flattering self image of Cameron and Speilberg and Jobs, these California supermen, fit and youthful, dressing down every day, in these blue cats, natural rulers of a magically abundant planet, an elite which very special individuals, with unique gifts, may join even if not born into it.

    It’s also a plea for the ideological efficacy of infantile genres – Pandora=Digital Media. In Avatar, Digital Media is presented as it is figured by childish fantasy products, blue elves stuff, and celebrated in this form, so that this form itself the childishness of it, becomes (and we can hear all the fasho echos) the redemption and purification of the proprietor class, and the arrangements of property, positioned as if opposed to all its own evils (concentrated in the earth military and the damaged, diverse, vicious and weak humanity that operate it). Notice the fasho themes about the body after which the movie is named, the Avatar, the Na’Ci body, in contrast to the vast robot casing that the weak and depraved species/race – ours – requires. It seems hippie dippy yoga stuff, but there is a familiar elitist fasho tradition that has always borrowed from imagined others…”oriental” and “traditional”…to sell its white supremacism.

  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Our nu-fash culture warriors require respect 4 Batman and HBO soaps but denounce relational art as self indulgent & degenerate.

    fascist echoes also in reverence 4 infantile manipulative entertainment commodities alongside bigoted, juvenile, ignorant attacks on artists

  • My dreams exceed my real life
    e has to take a stand about HBO soaps and this involves the kinds of remarks that high school students are taught to make or worse: he "hates" or "loves" this/at show, then discovers that the shows he loves are morally improving and revolutionary. this kind of crackhead relation to "quality television" is very widespread now and scary. these under 30s don't even know how bizarre they sound its scary to see chronological adults fanatically gushing about this very childish and hackneyed stuff. it's seriously spooky. like that guy who put the caps lock on for that fasho shit Breaking Bad: WATCH IT. psychotic seriously its like crack. I can feel it myself, when something is "for me",effects are stronger than a decade ago

    my feeling is if you are addicted to it you have to realise you're no judge of its effects on you and others would say its a fact it's not fantastic television, only mediocre, as television's criteria for success if profit t's mediocre television which you get a lot of pleasure from. It would be easier for you to evaluate something get a lot of pleasure from that bores you. Like Lost in Austen, say, or Weeds or the Tudors
    i don't even think the main thing is the stories and their content convincing people of anything; it's the medium 
    he medium puts you in a slight trance, stimulates you, puts you in a state where you are susceptible to irrational 
    influences. It doesn't matter what the show it. The medium has an ideology, it is this dependence on this screen 
    with a source of stimulation that is invisible and mysterious, and we see the effects are enhanced as the old fashioned factors of audience attraction (in theatre or lit) are attenuated.

    yes batman interesting; is it coincidence that it manipulates the body intensely and people are intensely attached? but seem to think it's the narrative and it's supposed politics that attach them? But the passion of it is creepy and seems to me to be chemical. it is like there is pseudo-"critique" that emerges 2justify this irrational devotion and as with TV shows, "fans" eventually descend to tearful demands "just watch it! just watch it!" and "it's art!"
  • edited 2013-02-14 17:37:49
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ...unless i'm misunderstanding something, wouldn't that make the average viewer a 'nu-fash culture warrior'?

    Unless that's not intended as a definition.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i am confused and unless an explanation is forthcoming i am holding Adorno responsible.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    a8 said:

    i am confused and unless an explanation is forthcoming i am holding Adorno responsible.

    My only explanation is that there are leftists who have gone so deep into leftism that they don't realize that actual conservatives and reactionaries exist outside of the Marxosphere and so are to be found within it.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    a8 said:

    i am confused and unless an explanation is forthcoming i am holding Adorno responsible.

    Well, Adorno did have some absolutist-Futurist tendencies, and the whole '50s total serialist cult of the body thing (aside from being flagrantly homoerotic) had some pretty weird authoritarian undertones, so the leftist-fashion-fascist thing isn't entirely unprecedented in that arena.

    It's still, y'know, bizarre and sort of creepy, but whatever. These people are harmlessly self-indulgent.
  • Oh, yeah, remember Fa-Sho Haircuts?
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