Creationism

edited 2012-09-03 16:40:22 in Talk
It's not only not true, it's also lame propaganda. You'd think they'd pitch it like this:

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  • If that was what creationists were pitching they'd get like all the 5 year olds in the world on their side.
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  • **Devils advocate time**
  • **Peanut Butter Jelly Time**
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  • **Adventure Time**
  • **The Land Before Time**
  • **Time Bandits**
  • Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."
    **Ocarina of Time**
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  • My dreams exceed my real life

    For you and each person who will read this book with an open mind, that can change. Because for over 30 years now, I have been carefully tracing, finding, sleuthing the truth.

    I started by investigating the origins of ancient civilizations: Their builders, their myths, their legends. Little by little what I discovered prompted and provoked me to seek answers beyond the party line. As Henry Ford, the automotive genius of the last century so aptly put it, "History is more or less bunk."

    The Romanian–born French philosopher E. M. Cioran put it even more bluntly when he wrote, “History is nothing but a procession of false absolutes, a series of temples raised to pretexts, a degradation of the mind before the improbable.”

    As I will show you, these men are not far off the mark (perhaps because they were often rubbing shoulders with those working behind the scenes to hide the truth). As you’ll see, past civilizations were not the primitive collectives they’ve been portrayed as being in textbooks and Hollywood. They were truly amazing, yes, even breath-taking. Because far from being the crude cultures they have been pictured as being, they held technology not only equal to today’s, in many respects they were advanced beyond modern day technology, often to the point that they defy “modern man’s” imagination in how they achieved their more remarkable accomplishments.

    Modern historians, of course, play a game of deny, deny, deny, coming up with explanations for these accomplishments that are nearly as amazing as the artifacts they try to explain away. As you will see, the explanations and dismissals are full of holes. For there is truth to the many stories that are now denied. What you have been taught to scoff at and dismiss as myth more often than not may be truth.

    This is not that hard to prove, either.

    By simply looking at the ruins of the past, a person quickly discovers that the ancients constructed architecture that was so accurately positioned to "stellar and planetary coordinates" that only recently has modern science and computer technology been able to fathom the relevance of such positioning. (Indeed, some ancient constructions appear to have positioning that modern science does not yet understand.)

    How the ancients were able to gain such knowledge with crude tools and the marginal math today’s archeologists claim they had is impossible to explain. When not ignoring and denying, today’s "modern sciences" develop very pathetic explanations and theories. Yet these remain as “facts” because those scientists and researchers seldom dare to suggest otherwise, less they find their careers at an end.

    Perhaps the most startling thing about the ancient wisdom and understanding which you’ll be looking at throughout this book is that the calculations and knowledge behind them was, as is the case today, dependent on computers for such computations. Instead, it seems entirely possible (indeed probably since instrumentation that would permit such calculations has never been found) the work was done in the heads of those creating the monuments and machinery.

    The conventional view of ancient peoples is that they are dumb brutes. And the farther back in time you go, the dumber they must be for the simple “reason” that human kind is supposed to be evolving into a better, wiser beast. Yet as you’ll see, the exact opposite may have taken place. Because hidden in the truth is the fact that giants not only existed, they most likely ruled and controlled lesser men due to both their physical as well as their mental superiority.


  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Think about this: The skeletal remains of individuals up to 36 feet in height doesn’t mean that giants were simply big. It also means that they were also smarter. Because with skulls (of which there are examples from South America and elsewhere) with three to six times the cranial mass of modern day humans, those ancient beings must have had mental abilities that would make Einstein seem retarded by comparison.

    However, ancient people and giants aren’t the only ones who created the artifacts and monuments of the past. Because, as I will show later in this book, there is conclusive evidence that many of these ancient artifacts were most likely made by non-human technology and hands.

    Of course such things don’t fit neatly into modern thinking that today’s culture is the pinnacle of mental prowess, or that today’s technologies are superior to those of the past. Thus they are denied and those who consider such possibilities quickly laughed out of the hall in which they present their facts.

    Yet the truth remains: Those legends, myths, and oral traditions may not be so far fetched as you have been taught, and even would prefer to think. In fact they may have at least nuggets of truth in them. That truth points back to a period of time in the dateless past when great civilizations flourished with scientific and engineering achievements (which still challenge modern intellects) were the norm.

    I don’t want you to just take my word on this — it is, after all, a hard pill to swallow, especially after the propaganda you have been fed from the popular media as well as the “facts” found in almost any science or historic textbook. Instead I simply want you to read this book with an open mind. Do that, and I will provide you with enough evidence and background findings so as to challenge the official "scientific party line" and give you a set of mind-boggling exclamation points in place of question marks you have when approaching these with only the conventional party line.

    Grant me this, and then in the next chapters I promise I’ll give you the answers to history’s puzzles instead of the denial and fabrications that you have heard from your youth until you picked up this book (and which you’ll continue to hear — but be able to recognize for the lies they are).

    Now… It’s time to commence the journey that will lead to this amazing revelation of the truth.

  • Think about this:
    The skeletal remains of individuals up to 36 feet in height doesn’t mean
    that giants were simply big. It also means that they were also smarter.
    Because with skulls (of which there are examples from South America and
    elsewhere) with three to six times the cranial mass of modern day
    humans, those ancient beings must have had mental abilities that would
    make Einstein seem retarded by comparison.
    FUCKING FUCKING RETARDED FUCKING FUCKHEAD RETARDATION
  • That paragraph gave me canceraids.
  • The fact that a person wrote that and was allowed to live is an affront to reality itself.
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  • "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    B-b-but... that's not an ancient giant! That's a giant Texas Ranger!
  • I'm more than willing to give every side of an argument a fair shake, but, after extensive research, it turns out creationists are actually not very smart all around.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    But then, we must no longer speak of life in general as an abstraction, or as a mere heading under which all living beings are inscribed. At a certain moment, in certain points of space, a visible current has taken rise; this current of life, traversing the bodies it has organized one after another, passing from generation to generation, has become divided amongst species and distributed amongst individuals without losing anything of its force, rather intensifying in proportion to its advance. It is well known that, on the theory of the "continuity of the germ-plasm," maintained by Weismann, the sexual elements of the generating organism pass on their properties directly to the sexual elements of the organism engendered. In this extreme form, the theory has seemed debatable, for it is only in exceptional cases that there are any signs of sexual glands at the time of segmentation of the fertilized egg. But, though the cells that engender the sexual elements do not generally appear at the beginning of the embryonic life, it is none the less true that they are always formed out of those tissues of the embryo which have not undergone any particular functional differentiation, and[Pg 27] whose cells are made of unmodified protoplasm.[8] In other words, the genetic power of the fertilized ovum weakens, the more it is spread over the growing mass of the tissues of the embryo; but, while it is being thus diluted, it is concentrating anew something of itself on a certain special point, to wit, the cells, from which the ova or spermatozoa will develop. It might therefore be said that, though the germ-plasm is not continuous, there is at least continuity of genetic energy, this energy being expended only at certain instants, for just enough time to give the requisite impulsion to the embryonic life, and being recouped as soon as possible in new sexual elements, in which, again, it bides its time. Regarded from this point of view, life is like a current passing from germ to germ through the medium of a developed organism. It is as if the organism itself were only an excrescence, a bud caused to sprout by the former germ endeavoring to continue itself in a new germ. The essential thing is the continuous progress indefinitely pursued, an invisible progress, on which each visible organism rides during the short interval of time given it to live.

    Now, the more we fix our attention on this continuity of life, the more we see that organic evolution resembles the evolution of a consciousness, in which the past presses against the present and causes the upspringing of a new form of consciousness, incommensurable with its antecedents. That the appearance of a vegetable or animal species is due to specific causes, nobody will gainsay. But this can only mean that if, after the fact, we could know these causes in detail, we could explain by them the form that has been produced; foreseeing the form is out of the question.[9] It may perhaps be said that the form could[Pg 28] be foreseen if we could know, in all their details, the conditions under which it will be produced. But these conditions are built up into it and are part and parcel of its being; they are peculiar to that phase of its history in which life finds itself at the moment of producing the form: how could we know beforehand a situation that is unique of its kind, that has never yet occurred and will never occur again? Of the future, only that is foreseen which is like the past or can be made up again with elements like those of the past. Such is the case with astronomical, physical and chemical facts, with all facts which form part of a system in which elements supposed to be unchanging are merely put together, in which the only changes are changes of position, in which there is no theoretical absurdity in imagining that things are restored to their place; in which, consequently, the same total phenomenon, or at least the same elementary phenomena, can be repeated. But an original situation, which imparts something of its own originality to its elements, that is to say, to the partial views that are taken of it, how can such a situation be pictured as given before it is actually produced?[10] All that can be said is that, once produced, it will be explained by the elements that analysis will then carve out of it. Now, what is true of the production of a new species is also true of the production of a new individual, and, more generally, of any moment of any living form. For, though the variation must reach a certain importance and a certain generality in order to give rise to a new species, it is being produced every moment, continuously and insensibly, in every living being. And it is evident that even the sudden "mutations" which we now hear of are possible only if a process of incubation, or rather of maturing, is going[Pg 29] on throughout a series of generations that do not seem to change. In this sense it might be said of life, as of consciousness, that at every moment it is creating something.[11]

  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Your average 14 year old angry redditor atheist and your 7-Day Creationist both hinge their arguments on taking the Bible absolutely literally. For the former, it's all about the "if the Bible is really God's word, then why, in Leviticus, are bats... CATEGORIZED WITH BIRDS?" logic bombs and for the 7-Day Creationist, well, they just take it absolutely literally. To which I applaud their unwavering idealism, but I still think that's a bit flawed.

    Unfortunately for both, their apple carts get upset whenever you realize that it's okay for a religious text to employ metaphor, especially considering the audience at the time Genesis was first scribed. These people wandering a desert wouldn't understand how it's presented nowadays, kind of like how they hadn't gotten around to setting up proper taxonomic classification between flying mammals and true avians. 

    That's where I go from with my belief in creationism.  Taken from that perspective, Biblical creation and the Big Bang go along just fine. 
  • What's with your hate-on for Reddit anyways?
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  • What I've noticed is that when you seriously consider creationism and atheism, you often end up at the same point.
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.

    What's with your hate-on for Reddit anyways?

    I don't like forums that  allow the majority to silence anyone who upsets the din of their echo chamber.
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  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Frosty said:

     are supposed to think that God snapped his fingers in 4,000 BC and then voila! everything we know appeared in a snap.

    Actually 4004BC is just one of the figures (and the most popular) that a Biblical scholar in antiquity arrived at. I need to pull out my old Bible dictionary and scan in the chart, there's actually several disputed dates including one set at 10,000BC. 
  • I'll answer your question with another question: Is a sufficiently examined god still a god?
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    "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    Yes; why not? Moses, or whoever wrote Exodus, claimed to know the Supreme Being by revelation (God said to Moses, “I AM THAT I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'" -- Exodus 3:14), but Plato and Aristotle knew by examination with reason.
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
    Kexruct said:

    I'll answer your question with another question: Is a sufficiently examined god still a god?

    No because a God needs Faith to survive and as soon as they get studied, they stop getting faith and therefore stop existing.
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  • edited 2012-09-03 17:30:19

    ^^That right there is the logic that disproved God in the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    In other words: bad logic.

  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Frosty said:



    re: dates: I think that Earth is millions of years old and am largely unconvinced that it being only in the five-digit numbers makes sense.

    Around 4 billion. 
  • Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
    Kexruct said:

    ^^That right there is the logic that disproved God in the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    In other words: bad logic.

    The only way logic could disprove God was if God was beholden to logic himself. He isn't. (On that note, logic can't prove him, either.)
  • Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
    Kexruct said:

    ^^That right there is the logic that disproved God in the Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    In other words: bad logic.

    I know, thats what I was referencing.
  • Oh, okay, sorry.
  • I don't think whether god exists or not really matters.
  • LWLW
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    Creationism aside, I thought Dino Riders was supposed to have taken place 70 million years after dinosaurs were extinct and people were time-traveling back to the prehistoric age or something and either brain-washed dinosaurs or were BFFs with them. Who knows if that makes any sense though.
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  • Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."
    I find it interesting that the planet Earth has been around for most of the time the universe is estimated to have existed after the Big Bang (6 billion years, if I recall correctly). Even if life wasn't around for most of that, it's still impressive.
  • I think it's far too early to be guessing when the universe came to be.
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  • Kexruct said:

    I think it's far too early to be guessing when the universe came to be.

    Measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang,[3] and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time.
    Isn't science awesome?
  • The best current estimate of the age of the universe is 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years[1][2] (4.339 ± 0.035 ×1017 seconds)
  • Because I think it's pretty much a guarantee that we'll be wrong. After all, cutting age technology three hundred years ago said that the earth was six thousand years old.
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    Remember back in the 50s when they'd record like Elvis singing YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG and then they'd turn the record over and reverse it and it was all NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP NYERP and people were all like, "That is actually the voice of Satan coming from that song."
    Yeah, I meant after the Big Bang. What happened before that would be really tough to figure out.

    And it turns out I probably misjudged it. I thought I read somewhere on a museum plaque that it was 6 billion. Derp.
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  • edited 2012-09-03 18:27:52

    It isn't really cutting edge technology, it's a simple observation and a wee bit of logic.


    Like dropping a rock, timing it and figuring out the solving for g.


    More precise measurement will get you better results fosho, but not anything wildly different.
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  • edited 2012-09-03 18:30:39
    "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    @Louie: Whoa, you're right.



    A ship of Valorians (humans from another planet) from 70 million years after the dinosaurs went extinct (4-5 million years in our future) went back in time to Cretaceous earth while being pursued by Rulons. Huh.
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