tedious discussions about "game design ethics"

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:17:27

i do not like them

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 02:18:08

there is good design and bad design; I'm not sure what ethics has to do with it.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:18:44

game design ethics is "making your game too [put in something you don't like in a video game here] is morally wrong"

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:19:31

things I have seen involved in these sorts of discussions in the past few days alone:

Overwatch, Stellaris, Dark Souls III, Hyperlight Drifter, DOOM 2016

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 02:20:06

escort missions are morally wrong, but otherwise this is crap.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:20:23

oh, Salt & Sanctuary too.

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 02:28:04

Jane said:
things I have seen involved in these sorts of discussions in the past few days alone:

Overwatch, Stellaris, Dark Souls III, Hyperlight Drifter, DOOM 2016

i think the problem is participating in fandom discussions of famous games

srsly some days i think that fans have nothing better to do with their lives than to overthink about stuff and then wank about their overthinking on the internet

("famous games" only because they get more wankery going and more likely to have a critical mass to respond to said wankery and so on)

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:28:58

Hyperlight Drifter is not a "famous game", neither are Stellaris or Salt & Sanctuary.

Odradek · 2016-05-25 02:30:03

The other day, I saw soulsplayers whining about not being able to screw someone out of an ending and an entire questline via a bug in the way invasions work sometimes.

Apparently this was cowtowing to entitled babies

Klinotaxis · 2016-05-25 02:31:19

you know, i'm starting to think gamers have a nontraditional definition of "ethics"

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 02:33:51

Klinotaxis said:
you know, i'm starting to think gamers have a nontraditional definition of "ethics"

ethics, here defined as like

man

i don't even know how to complete that sentence

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 02:36:25

ethics here defined as "what I think it is morally right and wrong to put in a video game" which is fucking stupid because it's impossible to design a game mechanic that is morally wrong unless it, fucking, I don't know, like, you lose and then one of your relatives is beheaded or some shit.

When you're getting to the point where you're saying things like "it should be a crime to make a game with checkpoints in 2016" and you're not even trying to be funny you need to stop, you need to go outside and just do something else with your life, you are too far down the path.

Odradek · 2016-05-25 02:36:30

Today is Tomorrow said:

Klinotaxis said:
you know, i'm starting to think gamers have a nontraditional definition of "ethics"
ethics, here defined as like

man

i don't even know how to complete that sentence

Klinotaxis · 2016-05-25 02:36:42

any time you would describe something as "bad" you just say "unethical" instead

hitler was unethical

escort missions are unethical

the eggs went unethical

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 02:37:44

remember that Michael Jackson song "Unethical"?

Princess Alice · 2016-05-25 02:42:48

Imipolex G said:
remember that Michael Jackson song "Unethical"?

That was an unethical joke but I laughed anyways.

Odradek · 2016-05-25 02:43:03

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 02:43:21

John Oswald's groundbreaking plunderphonics piece, Lacihtenu

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 02:49:17

Odradek said:

this is going to make me sound like the hugest idiot in the universe

and i want to clarify that usually when you post things like this, i have a good idea of what your opinions are on it

but, i have no clue what level of seriousness this man is operating on, and i also don't know if you agree with him or not

maybe this sore throat is a symptom of some brain eating disease

Odradek · 2016-05-25 02:54:14

He is completely serious, and also he is an idiot and I hate him for writing the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 02:56:36

ngggggnnnnnnnnnnnnnngg oooooooooooooooooooooongngngngg

now you've read something dumber.

Odradek · 2016-05-25 02:57:16

No, that's just random keyboard typings.

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 02:57:50

ok

i was confused because sometimes it kinda feels like a fair stab at bad pop-sci articles, but at other points i can't tell what's actually being aimed at, so i felt like i couldnt get a handle on what it was supposed to be making fun of exactly

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 02:57:58

eh, I tried.

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 02:58:54

Jane said:
Hyperlight Drifter is not a "famous game", neither are Stellaris or Salt & Sanctuary.

Hyperlight Drifter is a relatively high-profile indie game, Stellaris I've seen multiple people talking about it lately so I presume it's also a reasonably well-known recent release (sorta like Stardew Valley), and Salt & Sanctuary flat out showed up on a top sellers list on Steam when I recently transcribed it.

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 02:59:55

Jane said:
ethics here defined as "what I think it is morally right and wrong to put in a video game" which is fucking stupid because it's impossible to design a game mechanic that is morally wrong unless it, fucking, I don't know, like, you lose and then one of your relatives is beheaded or some shit.

When you're getting to the point where you're saying things like "it should be a crime to make a game with checkpoints in 2016" and you're not even trying to be funny you need to stop, you need to go outside and just do something else with your life, you are too far down the path.

this is when i say to such people "FUCK YOUR ETHICS; DESIGNERS GET TO PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT INTO THE GAME; NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP"

Odradek · 2016-05-25 03:02:56

Today is Tomorrow said:
ok

i was confused because sometimes it kinda feels like a fair stab at bad pop-sci articles, but at other points i can't tell what's actually being aimed at, so i felt like i couldnt get a handle on what it was supposed to be making fun of exactly

It's aimed at the untermenschen who want to hold back the rigorous science of national socialism

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 03:03:39

I was gonna say something in response to that but if I'm being honest I don't genuinely care what anyone thinks about the subject brought up in the OP because I don't know that's possible for anyone to genuinely care about anything and also I think we're doomed as a species.

Klinotaxis · 2016-05-25 03:04:29

this is not obvious

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 03:04:31

glennmagusharvey said:

this is when i say to such people "FUCK YOUR ETHICS; DESIGNERS GET TO PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT INTO THE GAME; NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP"

honestly i feel i miss the days when games were like this

you designed your own thing

then people might give you advice but if they didn't fit your vision you tell them to fuck off

maybe it's a fantasy

this post was very poorly worded but i need to slep and i don't feel like cleaning it up to make it more defensible or otherwise better worded

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 03:04:55

also the obligatory

fuck fandoms

Klinotaxis · 2016-05-25 03:05:41

psh. have you ever met a porcupine? those fuckers don't genuinely care about anything. they're just piles of blood and some other stuff, and they do okay, until they're depiled at least.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 03:05:43

glennmagusharvey said:

glennmagusharvey said:

this is when i say to such people "FUCK YOUR ETHICS; DESIGNERS GET TO PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT INTO THE GAME; NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP"
honestly i feel i miss the days when games were like this

you designed your own thing

then people might give you advice but if they didn't fit your vision you tell them to fuck off

maybe it's a fantasy

this post was very poorly worded but i need to slep and i don't feel like cleaning it up to make it more defensible or otherwise better worded

if anything game culture has actually gotten less partisan and ridiculous over time, which is a terrifying thought

TitleName · 2016-05-25 03:07:32

glennmagusharvey said:
also the obligatory

fuck fandoms

Glenn you have a lotta people to fuck then.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 03:08:30

fuck Mike Finito for makin this beat

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 03:14:36

TitleName said:

glennmagusharvey said:
also the obligatory

fuck fandoms
Glenn you have a lotta people to fuck then.

Sredni Vashtar · 2016-05-25 05:06:19

Glenn, you slut! I thought you were better than this!

Alduin · 2016-05-25 05:08:05

Underwater levels are morally wrong though

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 05:09:41

video games are immoral

MadassAlex · 2016-05-25 05:35:47

Imipolex G said:
escort missions are morally wrong, but otherwise this is crap.

Alduin said:
Underwater levels are morally wrong though

This is why you only play

Obā-san · 2016-05-25 05:37:25

you dont play, you do sensible adult things like read novels and comission art of your fursona

Hexartes · 2016-05-25 06:17:54

When someone says "ethics in game design" my first thought is either "don't design your game to siphon large amounts of money from children or people with impulse control issues" or "don't have your mechanics say bigoted things by eg giving black people a bonus to CON and white people a bonus to WIS," neither of which seem to be covered by what Jane is complaining about

It's like everyone on this forum has access to hidden and uniquely terrible forms of discourse that I've never heard of, sigh

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 06:20:35

Kexruct said:
When someone says "ethics in game design" my first thought is either "don't design your game to siphon large amounts of money from children or people with impulse control issues" or "don't have your mechanics say bigoted things by eg giving black people a bonus to CON and white people a bonus to WIS," neither of which seem to be covered by what Jane is complaining about

It's like everyone on this forum has access to hidden and uniquely terrible forms of discourse that I've never heard of, sigh

mostly you just make the wise decision to not go on reddit.

Salix Babylonika · 2016-05-25 06:22:14

Basically those are all valid things to complain about, so no one ever talks about them.

Instead it's "Hyperlight Drifter is hard and I think that's a moral failing of the game's creators rather than a design decision I don't like".

Klinotaxis · 2016-05-25 06:34:46

i've never seen this in my life either, which is why i'm just vomiting up irrelevant bullshit like usual

i mean i'm sure it happens i've just never synchronized my noumena

Tre · 2016-05-25 07:50:51

Alduin said:
Underwater levels are morally wrong though

someone hasn't played Rayman Origins/Legends

glennmagusharvey · 2016-05-25 12:34:16

Kexruct said:
When someone says "ethics in game design" my first thought is either "don't design your game to siphon large amounts of money from children or people with impulse control issues" or "don't have your mechanics say bigoted things by eg giving black people a bonus to CON and white people a bonus to WIS," neither of which seem to be covered by what Jane is complaining about

It's like everyone on this forum has access to hidden and uniquely terrible forms of discourse that I've never heard of, sigh

this

Klinotaxis said:
i've never seen this in my life either, which is why i'm just vomiting up irrelevant bullshit like usual

i mean i'm sure it happens i've just never synchronized my noumena

this too

Bee · 2016-05-25 17:28:44

Kexruct said:
When someone says "ethics in game design" my first thought is either "don't design your game to siphon large amounts of money from children or people with impulse control issues" or "don't have your mechanics say bigoted things by eg giving black people a bonus to CON and white people a bonus to WIS," neither of which seem to be covered by what Jane is complaining about

It's like everyone on this forum has access to hidden and uniquely terrible forms of discourse that I've never heard of, sigh

Imipolex G · 2016-05-25 22:00:04

the internet is full of hidden and terrible forms of discourse, you just have to know where to look.

tedious discussions about "game design ethics"

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