I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
i've always been kind of baffled at its apparent popularity, because neither of the PBS stations here ever seem to have shown it in prominent timeslots
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Complete Monster was one of those "tropes" I always considered a non-trope
Like, why are we counting the audience's reaction to a character as a trope in and of itself?
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
mostly i want to know why this is written on a postage stamp
Back in 2006-07, the Centralia Royal Post Office ran a promotion where you could get custom text on your postage stamps. Unfortunately, they mainly advertised it on LiveJournal.
Yeezy, Yeezy, what's good? It's your boy Max B, what's going on? Just checking in on you Appreciate the love and support The wave is here You a wavey dude anyway, so you already know Ain't no problem, man, the game... You already know how this game thing goes Do your wave nigga You got the official wave man Just, just doing you... Doing you, doing your wave And keep it loopy, I know you're going to keep it loopy man Shoutout, just shout you out Hollering at you man, it's all love I appreciate the... the energy And we here, hit the town, we do something big We gonna make a big tsunami up in the joint You already know what it is, ahh
There are a bunch of those, and they're specifically filed under "Audience Reaction Tropes".
It falls into the general category that TVTropes deals in ie. lite-critique, trivia, and that kind of thing, so it's there.
i actually feel that these kinds of subjective tropes are very much on-mission, but that TVT's list-focused approach makes it clumsy at handling them. There's an interesting question there, about at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences.
the character never does; it's all individual opinions shaped by individual reactions and possibly social pressures toward conformity and/or rebelliousness
Like so many reaction tropes, there's just enough nebulous about Complete Monster that everyone has their own idea of what "no redeeming features" means; but there's just enough concrete that they all think their nebulous personal definition ought to be objective and clear to everyone.
And "at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences" is another trope: Moral Event Horizon.
the character never does; it's all individual opinions shaped by individual reactions and possibly social pressures toward conformity and/or rebelliousness
there we go
i've summarized all opinions on characters ever
moving on
i even *said* in the eyes of writers and audiences, Glenn!
And what this broad sweep misses, to my mind, is that we do have subjective concepts like 'irredeemable villain' and 'good writing' and 'scary moment', and we can discuss these and analyze them like we can any less controversial trope, and (i would contend) doing so tells you something about writing and something about writers and audiences. Slapping the label 'subjective' over it and moving on strikes me as very reductive and also very hasty.
Like so many reaction tropes, there's just enough nebulous about Complete Monster that everyone has their own idea of what "no redeeming features" means; but there's just enough concrete that they all think their nebulous personal definition ought to be objective and clear to everyone.
And "at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences" is another trope: Moral Event Horizon.
iirc Moral Event Horizon refers to a temporal point, a line which is crossed, a specific evil action which is performed, after which there's no turning back. i'm saying more along the lines of: how bad must a character be to be considered a complete monster by audiences? What do writers do when they want to design a character who they really want you to hate?
my suspicion is this is something which varies geographically and has varied historically, and an analysis of that would be interesting to see, perhaps.
ur fine i guess im just annoyed because i had a very different idea for how this thread was gonna turn out like
everyone started talking about the actual show Caillou, as opposed to the obvious question: what on earth led to this bizarre deviantart stamp being made?
I think that's just a dA pseudo-trademark, partly. Stampts are quite the hashtag aesthetic there. Rest, well, when I searched "Caillou problematic" I got some tedious and basic articles, which fills in enough blanks for me.
I have liked your posts, for what it's worth, Tach.
Yeah, it's baffling. Partly because it suggests that there are enough non-grade school Caillou fans to be a fandom in the first place, let alone foster enough nastiness to demand comment.
Yeah, it's baffling. Partly because it suggests that there are enough non-grade school Caillou fans to be a fandom in the first place, let alone foster enough nastiness to demand comment.
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That seemed to have been the logic
but he gets stuck in a company freezer. those things are supposed to have latches on the inside
there we go
i've summarized all opinions on characters ever
moving on
And what this broad sweep misses, to my mind, is that we do have subjective concepts like 'irredeemable villain' and 'good writing' and 'scary moment', and we can discuss these and analyze them like we can any less controversial trope, and (i would contend) doing so tells you something about writing and something about writers and audiences. Slapping the label 'subjective' over it and moving on strikes me as very reductive and also very hasty. iirc Moral Event Horizon refers to a temporal point, a line which is crossed, a specific evil action which is performed, after which there's no turning back. i'm saying more along the lines of: how bad must a character be to be considered a complete monster by audiences? What do writers do when they want to design a character who they really want you to hate?
my suspicion is this is something which varies geographically and has varied historically, and an analysis of that would be interesting to see, perhaps.
Sorry for snippiness.
"Incomprehensible" was the wrong word i guess, i get that it suggests a story but it makes me incredulous.