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  • kill living beings
    the... ok
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    i seriously don't get the Caillou hate.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    apparently it's because he's whiny
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    i've always been kind of baffled at its apparent popularity, because neither of the PBS stations here ever seem to have shown it in prominent timeslots
  • Caillou is an ageist doofus; he keeps on insisting that Recette can't be the owner of the shop just because she's so young.
  • caillou is a kaiju
  • fight. dream. horse. love.
    i just remember it as the show that wasn't as good as Arthur
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    apparently it's because he's whiny

    he's just a kid who's four
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    Anonus said:

    apparently it's because he's whiny

    he's just a kid who's four
    The kind of people who get angry about Caillou have never let this kind of logic stop them

    See: Mr. Krabs is a COMPLETE MONSTER
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Il pleure de temps en temps, ça n'dur jamais longtemps.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i forget, what did Mr. Krabs even do that was so diabolical?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Well if he actually existed, he'd be a pretty bad person

    That seemed to have been the logic
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    it's a long time since i watched it but iirc he was a fairly standard 'mean boss' character
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Complete Monster was one of those "tropes" I always considered a non-trope

    Like, why are we counting the audience's reaction to a character as a trope in and of itself?
  • There are a bunch of those, and they're specifically filed under "Audience Reaction Tropes".

    It falls into the general category that TVTropes deals in ie. lite-critique, trivia, and that kind of thing, so it's there.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    it's a long time since i watched it but iirc he was a fairly standard 'mean boss' character

    I think the kind of people who put him there are like that guy on youtube who had a two week depression because Fluttershy was mean to someone once.
  • ok but this isn't about Caillou, it's about the Caillou fandom, which apparently exists and

    image


  • if anyone in the Spongebob universe bactually existed, they would be regarded as patently insane
  • if anyone in the Spongebob universe bactually existed, they would be regarded as patently insane dissected and studied


  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Wait, this is about Caillou, not "Callout." That took me way too long to recognize.
  • ok but this isn't about Caillou, it's about the Caillou fandom, which apparently exists and

    image


    mostly i want to know why this is written on a postage stamp
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Jane said:

    ok but this isn't about Caillou, it's about the Caillou fandom, which apparently exists and

    image


    mostly i want to know why this is written on a postage stamp
    Back in 2006-07, the Centralia Royal Post Office ran a promotion where you could get custom text on your postage stamps. Unfortunately, they mainly advertised it on LiveJournal.
  • fight. dream. horse. love.
    Tachyon said:

    it's a long time since i watched it but iirc he was a fairly standard 'mean boss' character

    he's gotten a bit out of control in recent episodes, but nothing that serious
  • kill living beings
    the events of "SB-129" imply an OSHA violation,
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    the events of "SB-129" imply an OSHA violation,

    Is that the time travel one

    I love when Squidward goes to the nega-time
  • edited 2016-05-25 02:31:34

    Jane said:

    ok but this isn't about Caillou, it's about the Caillou fandom, which apparently exists and

    image


    mostly i want to know why this is written on a postage stamp
    it's a deviantart stamp, a standard image template, people put them on their profiles
  • kill living beings
    Odradek said:

    the events of "SB-129" imply an OSHA violation,

    Is that the time travel one

    I love when Squidward goes to the nega-time
    yes, and me too

    but he gets stuck in a company freezer. those things are supposed to have latches on the inside
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    i just remember it as the show that wasn't as good as Arthur

    i think this is funny because they were both Cinar products
  • Yeezy, Yeezy, what's good?
    It's your boy Max B, what's going on?
    Just checking in on you
    Appreciate the love and support
    The wave is here
    You a wavey dude anyway, so you already know
    Ain't no problem, man, the game...
    You already know how this game thing goes
    Do your wave nigga
    You got the official wave man
    Just, just doing you...
    Doing you, doing your wave
    And keep it loopy, I know you're going to keep it loopy man
    Shoutout, just shout you out
    Hollering at you man, it's all love
    I appreciate the... the energy
    And we here, hit the town, we do something big
    We gonna make a big tsunami up in the joint
    You already know what it is, ahh
  • oh hold on I found the copypasta version

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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Jane said:

    There are a bunch of those, and they're specifically filed under "Audience Reaction Tropes".


    It falls into the general category that TVTropes deals in ie. lite-critique, trivia, and that kind of thing, so it's there.
    i actually feel that these kinds of subjective tropes are very much on-mission, but that TVT's list-focused approach makes it clumsy at handling them.  There's an interesting question there, about at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences.
  • the character never does; it's all individual opinions shaped by individual reactions and possibly social pressures toward conformity and/or rebelliousness

    there we go

    i've summarized all opinions on characters ever

    moving on
  • edited 2016-05-25 03:28:52
    For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    Like so many reaction tropes, there's just enough nebulous about Complete Monster that everyone has their own idea of what "no redeeming features" means; but there's just enough concrete that they all think their nebulous personal definition ought to be objective and clear to everyone.

    And "at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences" is another trope: Moral Event Horizon.
  • edited 2016-05-25 04:19:13
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    the character never does; it's all individual opinions shaped by individual reactions and possibly social pressures toward conformity and/or rebelliousness

    there we go

    i've summarized all opinions on characters ever

    moving on

    i even *said* in the eyes of writers and audiences, Glenn!

    And what this broad sweep misses, to my mind, is that we do have subjective concepts like 'irredeemable villain' and 'good writing' and 'scary moment', and we can discuss these and analyze them like we can any less controversial trope, and (i would contend) doing so tells you something about writing and something about writers and audiences.  Slapping the label 'subjective' over it and moving on strikes me as very reductive and also very hasty.
    MetaFour said:

    Like so many reaction tropes, there's just enough nebulous about Complete Monster that everyone has their own idea of what "no redeeming features" means; but there's just enough concrete that they all think their nebulous personal definition ought to be objective and clear to everyone.


    And "at what point a character becomes irredeemable in the eyes of writers and audiences" is another trope: Moral Event Horizon.
    iirc Moral Event Horizon refers to a temporal point, a line which is crossed, a specific evil action which is performed, after which there's no turning back.  i'm saying more along the lines of: how bad must a character be to be considered a complete monster by audiences?  What do writers do when they want to design a character who they really want you to hate?

    my suspicion is this is something which varies geographically and has varied historically, and an analysis of that would be interesting to see, perhaps.
  • this thread was a mistake
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    when i talk about things that interest me it's bad somehow
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    because heaven forbid that discussion happen in a shitpost thread
  • ur fine i guess im just annoyed because i had a very different idea for how this thread was gonna turn out like

    everyone started talking about the actual show Caillou, as opposed to the obvious question: what on earth led to this bizarre deviantart stamp being made?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    welcome to the club, i had a thread like that once
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    The stamp is incomprehensible, but i suppose it must have made sense to whoever made it.

    Sorry for snippiness.
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I think that's just a dA pseudo-trademark, partly. Stampts are quite the hashtag aesthetic there. Rest, well, when I searched "Caillou problematic" I got some tedious and basic articles, which fills in enough blanks for me.

    I have liked your posts, for what it's worth, Tach.
  • edited 2016-05-25 04:26:39

    it's not incomprehensible, it suggests a story

    the person who made it had multiple, negative experiences with a group of Caillou fans on deviantart

    imagine it
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Yeah, it's baffling. Partly because it suggests that there are enough non-grade school Caillou fans to be a fandom in the first place, let alone foster enough nastiness to demand comment.
  • Yeah, it's baffling. Partly because it suggests that there are enough non-grade school Caillou fans to be a fandom in the first place, let alone foster enough nastiness to demand comment.

    exactly!
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Well, thanks, Crystal.

    "Incomprehensible" was the wrong word i guess, i get that it suggests a story but it makes me incredulous.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Were they just unlucky?  Is it a joke?  i dunno.
  • I don't think it really matters if it's real or not
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    image
    I was alluding to stuff like this, less reading the comment as incomprehensible, more... basically looking at it from the total sum view.

    It's something.
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