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Alice Munro is ghastly and horrible

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  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Excellent choice of first name, though.

    (I have no idea who this person is.)
  • edited 2016-01-26 01:28:13

    "is a Canadian short story writer and Nobel Prize winner."

    WHO

    WHAT

    WHEN

    HOWWWWWW
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    What's so bad about her?
  • One morning in the winter I was walking up the school hill very early; a neighbor had given me a ride into town. I lived about half a mile out of town, on a farm, and I should not have been going to the town school at all, but to a country school nearby where there were half a dozen pupils and a teacher a little demented since her change of life. But my mother, who was an ambitious woman, had prevailed on the town trustees to accept me and my father to pay the extra tuition, and I went to school in town. I was the only one in the class who carried a lunch pail and ate peanut-butter sandwiches in the high, bare, mustard-colored cloakroom, the only one who had to wear rubber boots in the spring, when the roads were heavy with mud. I felt a little danger, on account of this; but I could not tell exactly what it was.

    I saw Myra and Jimmy ahead of me on the hill; they always went to school very early—sometimes so early that they had to stand outside waiting for the janitor to open the door. They were walking slowly, and now and then Myra half turned around. I had often loitered in that way, wanting to walk with some important girl who was behind me, and not quite daring to stop and wait. Now it occurred to me that Myra might be doing this with me. I did not know what to do. I could not afford to be seen walking with her, and I did not even want to— but, on the other hand, the flattery of those humble, hopeful turnings was not lost on me. A role was shaping for me that I could not resist playing. I felt a great pleasurable rush of self-conscious benevolence; before I thought what I was doing I called, "Myra! Hey, Myra, wait up, I got some Cracker Jack!" and I quickened my pace as she stopped.

    Myra waited, but she did not look at me; she waited in the. withdrawn and rigid attitude with which she always met us. Perhaps she thought I was playing a trick on her, perhaps she expected me to run past and throw an empty Cracker Jack box in her face. And I opened the box and held it out to her. She took a little. Jimmy ducked behind her coat and would not take any when I offered the box to him.
    "He's shy," I said reassuringly. "A lot of little kids are shy like that. He'll probably grow out of it."
    "Yes," said Myra.
    "I have a brother four," I said. "He's awfully shy." He wasn't. "Have some more Cracker Jack," I said. "I used to eat Cracker Jack all the time but I don't any more. I think it's bad for your complexion."
    There was a silence. "Do you like Art?" said Myra faintly. "No. I like Social Studies and Spelling and
    Health." "I like Art and Arithmetic." Myra could add and multiply in her head faster than anyone else in the class.
    "I wish I was as good as you. In Arithmetic," I said, and felt magnanimous.
    "But I am no good at Spelling," said Myra. "I make the most mistakes, I'll fail maybe." She did not sound unhappy about this, but pleased to have such a thing to say. She kept her head turned away from me staring at the dirty snowbanks along Victoria Street, and as she talked she made a sound as if she was wetting her lips with her tongue.
    "You won't fail," I said. "You are too good in Arithmetic. What are you going to be when you grow up?"
    She looked bewildered. "I will help my mother," she said. "And work in the store."
    "Well I am going to be an airplane hostess," I said. "But don't mention it to anybody. I haven't told many people."
    "No, I won't," said Myra. "Do you read Steve Canyon in the paper?"
    "Yes." It was queer to think that Myra, too, read the comics, or that she did anything at all, apart from her role at the school. "Do you read Rip Kirby"
    "Do you read Orphan Annie?"
    "Do you read Betsy and the Boys?"
    "You haven't had hardly any Cracker Jack," I said. "Have some. Take a whole handful."
    Myra looked into the box. "There's a prize in there," she said. She pulled it out. It was a brooch, a little tin butterfly, painted gold with bits of colored glass stuck onto it to look like jewels. She held it in her brown hand, smiling slightly.
  • kill living beings
    nothing about that immediately seems excrable
  • this is the most boring prose i have ever read in my entire life

    i offered to help my sister with a homework assignment

    i did not know it would turn out like this
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    nothing about that immediately seems excrable


  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    like, i dunno

    it's a simple, economic style, it's not particularly elaborate, but that's a stylistic decision, and seems fitting when the story is told from a child's perspective
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    With a sloshing plop the thing fell to the ground, evaporating in a thick scarlet cloud until it reatained its original size. It remained thus for a moment as the puckered maw took the shape of a protruding red eyeball, the pupil of which seemed to unravel before it the tale of creation. How a shapeless mass slithered from the quagmires of the stygmatic pool of time, only to degenerate into a leprosy of avaricious lust. In that fleeting moment the grim mystery of life was revealed before Grignr's ensnared gaze.

    The eyeballs glare turned to a sudden plea of mercy, a plea for the whole of humanity. Then the blob began to quiver with violent convulsions; the eyeball shattered into a thousand tiny fragments and evaporated in a curling wisp of scarlet mist. The very ground below the thing began to vibrate and swallow it up with a belch.

    The thing was gone forever. All that remained was a dark red blotch upon the face of the earth, blotching things up. Shaking his head, his shaggy mane to clear the jumbled fragments of his mind, Grignr tossed the limp female over his shoulder. Mounting one of the disgruntled mares, and leading the other; the weary, scarred barbarian trooted slowly off into the horizon to become a tiny pinpoint in a filtered filed of swirling blue mists, leaving the Nobles, soldiers and peasants to replace the missing monarch. Long leave the king!!!


  • Tachyon said:

    like, i dunno

    it's a simple, economic style, it's not particularly elaborate, but that's a stylistic decision, and seems fitting when the story is told from a child's perspective

    it's "I got a C in my community college creative writing course" tier

    combined with dialogue that sounds absolutely nothing like what real children actually sounds like

    and she nabbed a nobel prize??????
  • With a sloshing plop the thing fell to the ground, evaporating in a thick scarlet cloud until it reatained its original size. It remained thus for a moment as the puckered maw took the shape of a protruding red eyeball, the pupil of which seemed to unravel before it the tale of creation. How a shapeless mass slithered from the quagmires of the stygmatic pool of time, only to degenerate into a leprosy of avaricious lust. In that fleeting moment the grim mystery of life was revealed before Grignr's ensnared gaze.

    The eyeballs glare turned to a sudden plea of mercy, a plea for the whole of humanity. Then the blob began to quiver with violent convulsions; the eyeball shattered into a thousand tiny fragments and evaporated in a curling wisp of scarlet mist. The very ground below the thing began to vibrate and swallow it up with a belch.

    The thing was gone forever. All that remained was a dark red blotch upon the face of the earth, blotching things up. Shaking his head, his shaggy mane to clear the jumbled fragments of his mind, Grignr tossed the limp female over his shoulder. Mounting one of the disgruntled mares, and leading the other; the weary, scarred barbarian trooted slowly off into the horizon to become a tiny pinpoint in a filtered filed of swirling blue mists, leaving the Nobles, soldiers and peasants to replace the missing monarch. Long leave the king!!!


    this is strictly better
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Honestly yeah.

    At least Jim Theiss is very excited about the story he's telling you and is putting effort into describing things.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think maybe you are overestimating the difficulty of creative writing courses

    i would expect this to be graded higher than a C, if nothing else
  • honestly, that excerpt really doesnt fully convey the badness

    the badness comes through the monotony

    like, with just that bit, i can see going "oh, it's just simple and economical"

    but then, it just keeps going and going and going like that, no flourishes or moments of interest, and the dialogue feels flat and lifeless

    it's like eating a tube of nutrient paste
  • Tachyon said:

    i think maybe you are overestimating the difficulty of creative writing courses

    i would expect this to be graded higher than a C, if nothing else

    ok fair enough
  • edited 2016-01-26 02:01:07
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    maybe her other work is more interesting

    this is such a short sample, it mightn't even be representative

    e: wrote this before seeing your above post, idk then
  • edited 2016-01-26 02:04:37

    given the choice between two things, one of which is "technically bad, but interesting" and the other which is "technically competent or good, but less interesting" i will, without hesitation, choose the "bad" option every time, which is not how most people would go about it i think

    which i think is a big part of my evaluation here
  • still idk how you score a nobel prize for this though
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Tachyon said:

    maybe her other work is more interesting

    this is such a short sample, it mightn't even be representative

    e: wrote this before seeing your above post, idk then

    I get the feeling.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    given the choice between two things, one of which is "technically bad, but interesting" and the other which is "technically competent or good, but less interesting" i will, without hesitation, choose the "bad" option every time, which is not how most people would go about it i think

    which i think is a big part of my evaluation here
    i'm sort of torn, because a part of me wants to agree, but there's definitely a threshold where i'll go, ok, there's something interesting in here, but this is just so cringingly embarrassingly irritatingly sloppy that i can't seriously approach it
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i feel like i've read something of hers before, and not hated it, but i can't think what it was

    it's possible i've just heard the name somewhere
  • edited 2016-01-26 02:13:56

    update: she wrote this when she was 20 and it was her first ever published story
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    that makes sense, then
  • i feel like a dick now tbh
  • still dont like this story one little bit
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Did she get better as a writer after that?
  • given the choice between two things, one of which is "technically bad, but interesting" and the other which is "technically competent or good, but less interesting" i will, without hesitation, choose the "bad" option every time, which is not how most people would go about it i think

    which i think is a big part of my evaluation here
    I think you overestimate how uncommon that kind of opinion is

    If nothing else it's pretty much standard in critical circles
  • TreTre
    edited 2016-01-26 02:24:34
    image

    i feel like a dick now tbh


    image
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    yeah, Kex is right
  • Tre said:

    i feel like a dick now tbh


    image
    aww thanks
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    update: she wrote this when she was 20 and it was her first ever published story

    Jim Theiss was 16
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Did he get better as a writer after that?
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Myra's a good name
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I had a cat named Myra
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    When I was about four I had a crush on a girl named Myra

    this has nothing to do with this discussion, however.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    update: she wrote this when she was 20 and it was her first ever published story

    This makes a lot of sense given that it seems out of keeping with what little I know of her work.

    i feel like a dick now tbh

    :< ! *pets*
  • Actually I was thinking about this and I'd say a good portion of the time when you dislike something your stated reasoning usually focuses on technical aspects

    Not that technical aspects are unimportant or that this is even really the wrong way to go about it, but that has been my observation
  • update: she wrote this when she was 20 and it was her first ever published story

    Jim Theiss was 16
    When I was 16 I could write better than that. And by that I mean "I could use a spell-checker."
  • still yeah, I was totally as grandiose and cliched as he was 
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Acererak said:

    update: she wrote this when she was 20 and it was her first ever published story

    Jim Theiss was 16
    When I was 16 I could write better than that. And by that I mean "I could use a spell-checker."
    This did not exist when he wrote that.
  • Oh ok.

    unrelated: I'm still wondering if "long leave the king" is a typo, an attempt at a quip, or both.
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