Freaky Friday but

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:27:36

instead of a mom and her kid, it's Zizek and his kid

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:35:33

i think the key to good Zizek humor is to never actually make any reference to his philosophical positions or ideas

Salix Babylonika · 2016-01-22 02:39:21

I literally have no idea what zizek believes about anything

Odradek · 2016-01-22 02:39:27

How do you feel about pure ideology though?

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:45:22

Jane said:
I literally have no idea what zizek believes about anything

well, he's

a marxist?

and he likes to talk about how idiological systems influence people subconsciously and make them take things for granted?

i thiiiiink

this is what i have gathered from like, the 5 things i have read about him/his thought and the 2 articles ive read by him

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:48:19

it seems like generally speaking he seems to be more of a meme than anything else though

like, nobody really cares about what he thinks, they like that he's willing to just fly by the seat of his pants and weigh in on/talk about literally anything

i think someone here compared him to Lil B, and that comparison may not be wholly innacurate

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:50:21

but, i do not want to learn more, because that might ruin my ability to shoehorn him into nonsensical contexts

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:54:51

priorities

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 02:56:18

Today is Tomorrow said:

Jane said:
I literally have no idea what zizek believes about anything
well, he's

a marxist?

and he likes to talk about how idiological systems influence people subconsciously and make them take things for granted?

i thiiiiink

this is what i have gathered from like, the 5 things i have read about him/his thought and the 2 articles ive read by him

this cant be the whole of it though, because it seems like such an obvious and commonplace observation

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 03:03:17

maybe he's just really bad

who knows

well, Baldanders probably

Klinotaxis · 2016-01-22 03:03:50

well, one profitable mode of philosophy is to take a simple observation and go hog fucking wild

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 03:05:54

I guess i could read that book of his that i own

but i mostly just like looking at the cover

Obā-san · 2016-01-22 03:06:59

FUCk now im remembering that first thing of his that I read

it was this essay on The Matrix and i remember it mainly as being the most boring thing I read from that Critical Theory reader i have?

Haven · 2016-01-22 03:07:08

^^ gpoy

Odradek · 2016-01-23 20:49:36

Odradek · 2016-01-23 20:50:47

Chubby, churlish, and bearded, the preeminent Slovenian dialectical-materialist philosopher Slavoj Zizek looks not unlike a panda bear. But it’s probably not a good idea to bring that up with him — he hates pandas, specifically animated ones voiced by Jack Black. That is to say, he hatesKung Fu Panda. We spoke to the author, most recently of the Picador book Violence, about summer blockbusters and the man was not pleased. “If you ask me for really dangerous ideological films, for ideology at its purest, I’d say Kung Fu Panda. I saw it five times because my son likes it. The movie is extremely cynical in that you know they make fun of all this ideology, of Buddhism and these things, but the message is even though we know it is not true and we make fun, you have to believe in it. It’s this split of you know it’s not true but just make like you believe in it.”

Zizek’s ire isn’t confined to cynical animated bears. He doesn’t like bats either. “The other film which I find dangerous at this level is The Dark Knight. A big rehabilitation of lying as principle. It’s almost an ironic repetition — you know towards the end, they found the solution is to denounce Harvey Dent — of the famous John Ford film The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, which also has this message for ideological reasons we have to falsify the truth. I’m not a naïve man who thinks we always have to tell the truth, but this kind of message is patronizing and dangerous.“

So how did Zizek spend his hot Slovenian summer if not in the cool movie houses of Ljubljana? Not on the slopes (“What is skiing? It is stupidity embodied. You climb up the mountain to come down. Why not stay down and read a book?” he says). Zizek spent it exploring the ideological underpinnings of violence. That is to say, playing Grand Theft Auto IV with his 8-year-old son. “Grand Theft Auto explores the social ambiguity of violence … I don’t buy the theory that, ‘You think you are playing, but you are generating violence.’ I don’t think there is a clear connection between that kind of violence and real violence. This eternal fear of liberals who claim if you play video games, you’ll think reality is like this and you’ll go out and beat someone. It’s a much more complex system … If anything, playing Grand Theft Auto is more of a superstition. In order not to do something in reality, you play it virtually. I think it functions much more on that level. You know it is a very complex topic; psychoanalysis can learn something here.”

Haven · 2016-01-23 23:26:22

"You climb up the mountain to come down. Why not stay down and read a book?" somehow makes me think both "how do you miss the point that much" and "same".

MetaFour · 2016-01-24 07:20:55

Why bother reading a book? You'll just get to the end and find yourself once again not reading.

Imipolex G · 2016-01-24 18:17:29

you get another book, of course.

Klinotaxis · 2016-01-24 18:19:12

this is exactly why i just walk up and down the himalayas.

Odradek · 2016-01-24 21:20:47

I was going to post the W/ Bob and David sketch about skiing.

But I couldn't find it so I'll just post this

Obā-san · 2016-01-29 02:17:45

According to Zizek, like and after Althusser, ideologies are thus political discourses whose primary function is not to make correct theoretical statements about political reality (as Marx’s “false consciousness” model implies), but to orient subjects’ lived relations to and within this reality. If a political ideology’s descriptive propositions turn out to be true (eg: “capitalism exploits the workers”, “Saddam was a dictator”, “the Spanish are the national enemy”, etc.), this does not in any way reduce their ideological character, in Zizek’s estimation. This is because this character concerns the political issue of how subjects’ belief in these propositions instead of those of opponents positions subjects on the leading political issues of the day. For Zizek, political speech is primarily about securing a lived sense of unity or community between subjects something like what Kant called sensus communis or Rousseau the general will. If political propositions seemingly do describe things in the world, Zizek’s position is that we nevertheless need always to understand them as Marx understood the exchangevalue of commodities – as “a relation between people being concealed behind a relation between things”. Or again: just as Kant thought that the proposition “this is beautiful” really expresses a subject’s reflective sense of commonality with all other subjects capable of being similarly affected by the object, so Zizek argues that propositions like “Go Spain!” or “the King will never stop working to secure our future” are what Kant called reflective judgments, which tell us as much or more about the subject’s lived relation to political reality as about this reality itself.

that makes sense

Sredni Vashtar · 2016-01-29 02:42:04

It really does.

Freaky Friday but

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